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iridium
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iridium wrote:
i'm finding a M42 wide lens for an aps-c digital camera (pentax).
suggestions?
russian lens? germany lens? japan lens? others?
(of course a lens wider than 25mm)
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hk300
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hk300 wrote:
What is your budget?
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iridium
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iridium wrote:
if i find an interesting lens, i can put more money 
...but not expensive: max 100-200 euro is my budget |
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PaulC
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PaulC wrote:
The M42 lenses were designed for full frame where 35mm is a good wide angle, so 24mm is already pretty extreme. The ultra wide angle lenses, such as the 20mm Zeiss Flektogon tend to be quite expensive - around the top of your range - and are not very common.
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lulalake wrote:
| iridium wrote: |
if i find an interesting lens, i can put more money
...but not expensive: max 100-200 euro is my budget |
You have many choices in that range, many really good lenses there.
Next and maybe the most important, How wide?
Check the pics from various focal lengths form 28mm to 14mm.
Plenty to chose from.
It's all compromise; There will be no "perfect" lens but many truly good ones. |
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koji wrote:
Iridium,
Just wait for a little while, Pentax is testing new 20mm wide lens
for their dSLR line of cameras. This is not rumor..... 
Uh, Oh. That was not 20mm, 15mm. Sorry. see>
http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2009/02/harry-pelican.html
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estudleon wrote:
I have a flektogon 20/4 and I'm happy with it.
Rino.
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CarbonR wrote:
Maybe a Tamron 17/3.5 ? I'm using one in M42 mount both digital and film, not very sharp wide opened but correct when stopped
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Attila wrote:
For this sum I also suggest Tamron SP 17mm or Flektogon 4/20.
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hacksawbob wrote:
crop frame will make 20mm closer to 32mm for a real wide maybe a 16mm zenitar which will be closer to 25mm
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YureW
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YureW wrote:
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| crop frame will make 20mm closer to 32mm for a real wide maybe a 16mm zenitar which will be closer to 25mm |
Being a fish-eye, even wider: something like a 21-22mm. |
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iridium
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iridium wrote:
thanks for your info!
i know that the m42 wide are expensive and rare.
please give me info about "name lens" (flektogon...) so i can then find photos. and if you have experiences, tell me  |
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horvlas wrote:
Zenitar 16mm. Famous lens! |
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aoleg wrote:
| horvlas wrote: |
| Zenitar 16mm. Famous lens! |
And it's natively available in K mount - I don't know if it's an auto lens or not though. In M42, it has a pin, so it's auto. I heard it has some automatic features with Nikon mount as well.
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iridium
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iridium wrote:
| horvlas wrote: |
| Zenitar 16mm. Famous lens! |
i know very well zenitar.
very good at f5.
but i'm finding not a fish eye.
other opinions?
russian lenses? |
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YureW
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YureW wrote:
The Mir 20M can be interesting. I have one. It's not so sharp, and is big and heavy, but sometimes (especially when shooting at high ISO) gives good images, with a nice flavour. |
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
I don't use this lens. I saw nice pics with it. I have a flektagon 20/4, somebody tell that isn't a good lens (so unsharp at borders and not so sharp at center, etc), but it's good for me with almost 0 distortion.
Show us your pics!! Thanks.
Rino.
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Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
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What's the difference between MIR-20, MIR-47 and MIR-64? Any experience?
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YureW wrote:
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I don't use this lens. I saw nice pics with it. I have a flektagon 20/4, somebody tell that isn't a good lens (so unsharp at borders and not so sharp at center, etc), but it's good for me with almost 0 distortion.
Show us your pics!! Thanks.
Rino. |
OK, here's a fresh shot made with the MIR 20M @ f/5.6 on EOS 350D, 400 ISO. Not art, just a casual test shot.
I made just a conversion using a "neutral" profile in RawTherapee, so there's no sharpen applied, no noise reduction, no color boost, no local contast enhancement, only brightness correction.
The first image is reduced for the web in Gimp, so some sharpen is applied. The others are crops of the jpeg created by RawTherapee.
Center crop:
Border crop:
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Abbazz
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| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:14 am Post subject: Re: wide - can help me? |
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Abbazz wrote:
| iridium wrote: |
i'm finding a M42 wide lens for an aps-c digital camera (pentax).
suggestions?
russian lens? germany lens? japan lens? others?
(of course a lens wider than 25mm) |
It's quite difficult to find a good lens in this range on a tight budget. You will find many lenses (like the Flektogon 20/4 or Tamron 17/3.5 suggested by others) but most are somewhat lacking unless stopped down to F/8 at least.
In M42 mount, my suggestion is the old Super-Takumar 20/4.5, which is not very fast, but is very well built and offers good image quality on APS-C format. At least this is the case for my sample of this lens. It is somewhat rare but not too expensive because of its limited aperture and also because the borders are rather soft on full frame format. The lens also exists in a multi coated S-M-C-Takumar version, but the difference in image quality is not worth the significant price difference IMHO.
If you need to go wider, you will not have much choice in manual focus except to go for a fisheye lens. Both the Super-Takumar 17/4 and the Zenitar 16/2.8 are very good lenses that can fit your budget. Don't forget that a fisheye lens offers a much wider field of view than a rectilinear lens of the same focal length. There are many software applications than can straighten fisheye images if needed.
Cheers!
Abbazz
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