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Which of these HELIOS 2/58 should i choose?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:01 pm    Post subject: Which of these HELIOS 2/58 should i choose? Reply with quote
hi folks, recently i discovered helios 2/58 lenses and i am impressed. I think i would like to try one Smile

could you help me, idont know if i should go for 44m,or 44m-6,5,4, or 44-3?

all of them are good i think, with similar bokeh, but how to decide? all of them around 50$ on ebay

appreciate your help here

roman


PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
i have used the old version Helios 44-2 and i was very pleased with it, sharp and contrasty images.


PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
44-2 or 44 are the best for me. Some 44-3 may be a bit tricky to adapt, so, to avoid problem, better choose another one. But, all 44 are still very good, you won't be desapointed if you buy a 44M4, for exemple.


PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
My vote for 44-2 if you are looking for the 58/2 option.

If you are open to other Helios suggestions, then 77M-4 is well worth considering.


PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
But the 77M-4 is nowaday a bit more expensive than classical 44's


PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, still my copy (very good condition) cost me around 40 USD in local currency. 44-2 regularily sell for 15-25.


PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have owned 44-2. 44M and 44M-4 lenses and they were all able to do more than I am capable of. Just buy the first good condition one you can afford and enjoy it. You WILL end up owning more in the future, I guarantee. Wink


PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
skida wrote:
I have owned 44-2. 44M and 44M-4 lenses and they were all able to do more than I am capable of. Just buy the first good condition one you can afford and enjoy it. You WILL end up owning more in the future, I guarantee. Wink


+1


PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The leaf is barely 20mm wide, the Helios 44-M was wide open at f2. That's a narrow DoF. Cool One thing missing though, is the swirly bokeh. Many people expect the swirls but they are not inevitable, in fact I rarely get swirls on either the Helios 44-M or the 44-2. I guess it's the way I shoot? I don't really know.
My favorite of the 44-2 or 44-M ? probably the 44-2.



PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lloydy wrote:
The leaf is barely 20mm wide, the Helios 44-M was wide open at f2. That's a narrow DoF. Cool One thing missing though, is the swirly bokeh. Many people expect the swirls but they are not inevitable, in fact I rarely get swirls on either the Helios 44-M or the 44-2. I guess it's the way I shoot? I don't really know.


The swirls come in specific circumstances.

1) must be wide open
2) must have contrasting background with many light and dark areas, foliage on a sunny day works well for this
3) the swirlies only occur in a particular part of the focus range, I can't remember exactly, fairly close range.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
thank you all for helpful replies!

much appreciate

i bought KMZ HELIOS 44M 58/2 Russian m42 lens

i hope it will work just fine Smile looking forward to test it Smile


PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Roman welcome in MFlenses forum Smile

North Slovakia welcome East Slovakia Smile
I test Helios 44m-6 on Canon EOS and was perfect


PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
thank you pepes!

such a small world we have indeed Smile

looking forward to use my new helios soon Smile


PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I would go for the 44-2 from KMZ factory, or even older 44, 44 is in both M42 and M39 available.
44-3 is from MMZ factory in Belarus which doesn't have a good reputation.
Maybe you will get it cheaper with an Zent-E or similar cameras.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Plain 44.

The older, the best for me.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lenny On Ice wrote:
I would go for the 44-2 from KMZ factory, or even older 44, 44 is in both M42 and M39 available.
44-3 is from MMZ factory in Belarus which doesn't have a good reputation.
Maybe you will get it cheaper with an Zent-E or similar cameras.


Honestly, I don't think there are much risks to buy an MMZ lens. I have a 44 from MMZ, and another one from KMZ, hard to see difference in quality.


PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
This Lenny has an M39 44 from from MMZ and it is excellent.


PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've never owned a 44-2 or a 44-3 that I didn't love. The 44-3 is a better "feeling" lens to me.
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