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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
for me, size was not the most important thing. I like the "normal" focal length, I like it´s fast, and I like its close-focus ability

what I do not like is the filter ring on aperture ring - with some filters, it is hard to operate the aperture properly


PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
fotoreporter1975 wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I don't understand the appeal of pancakes.


Optically speaking you're often right - not always, there are good pancakes out there, and I mean without maple sirup on top Laughing

But even a lousy performer like the Pentax M 40/2.8 when mated to, for example, an ME Super (or a 40mm Zuiko mounted on any OM camera) makes a package as small or smaller than a Leica M, so almost pocketable.

I too went to that road - with the aforementioned Pentax - but I came to my senses when I realized that a medium format folding like the Fuji GS645 (I happened to have it at the same time of the Pentax) was not so much bigger, but the differences in quality were stellar! Shocked


I agree, the Nikon 2/45 and the Contax Tessar 45mm are both excellent.

I also wanted a pancake for my Pentax SLRs, so I could put one in my pocket, but in the end I sold them and went the rangefinder route instead as that fits in my pocket without optical compromises.

I also have a Zeiss Ikonta-M 6x6 with rf that I use like your Fuji, as you say, the increase in quality over 35mm is rather big.


PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
fotoreporter1975 wrote:


If you got this lens for 110 euro more than anything you got…luck! Very Happy



Spot on. I cannot testify regarding European prices. But I did check this on eBay-USA.

My opinion based on USA pricing:

Be on high alert for the police! At €110 the lens was stolen! Very Happy Laughing


PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
here are scans from Olympus Sales Reps Manual about 40mm/2



PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
fotoreporter1975 wrote:
If you got this lens for 110 euro more than anything you got…luck!

Yes indeed, I have luck at the time in USA (140 USD = 110 euro).
The seller (with wife and two kids ) needs money ?, don't know excactly the reason, why he didn't ask more for that.



guardian wrote:
Be on high alert for the police! At €110 the lens was stolen!

I am sorry, forgotten to ask him ! 'Laughing'


PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
So is it nearly 10x the price of the Zuiko 1.8/50 purely because it is rare?


PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
So is it nearly 10x the price of the Zuiko 1.8/50 purely because it is rare?
no


PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
So why else then? If it isn't rare then why?


PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
So why else then? If it isn't rare then why?


Speaking in terms of focal length:

I don't think you can fairly use 50mm lens pricing as a yardstick for 40mm lens pricing, and especially not for 35mm lens pricing . . . not in this day and age when so many of these MF lenses are being adapted for use on digital cameras.

50mm lenses are, in essence within a digital camera context, mild telephoto lenses. It takes a 35mm (or even a 28mm) lens to get you back to (what years ago was) a normal lens standard.

By this line of thinking, I don't really understand the attraction of the 40mm lenses, not the Oly and not the rest. Perhaps, as others have pointed out, it's compactness. But one thing for sure: Whether I understand or not makes no difference whatsoever. Here in USA prices, at least asking prices, for this Oly 40 can exceed US$650. Rolling Eyes Shocked


PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
650 bucks! Wow, crazy world indeed.

Just cos it's small and slightly close to a normal lens on APS-C, that to me is pretty crazy.

Maybe Samyang should start making 2/40 pancakes, seems there is a market for it.

Samsung have a superb 2/30 for the NX that is only 89ukp.


PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
650 bucks! Wow, crazy world indeed.

Just cos it's small and slightly close to a normal lens on APS-C, that to me is pretty crazy.

Maybe Samyang should start making 2/40 pancakes, seems there is a market for it.

Samsung have a superb 2/30 for the NX that is only 89ukp.


Yeah. Agreed.

I've been working on this and looking into it a bit. As best I can tell the attraction, or at least a key aspect thereof, is the "pancake" configuration of this Oly. People like to be able to slip their m4/3 camera into a pocket. That's tough to accomplish if the lens sticks out much, as so often is the case; but not with this Oly 40.

Also, I assume this Oly 40 is a very high quality lens, with excellent contrast and IQ. That's an assumption because I really don't know the lens.


PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, I can see the attraction of a small lens to fit the pocket. That's why I like rangefinder lenses on the NEX, they are smaller than SLR ones.


PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
650 bucks! Wow, crazy world indeed.

Just cos it's small and slightly close to a normal lens on APS-C, that to me is pretty crazy.

Maybe Samyang should start making 2/40 pancakes, seems there is a market for it.

Samsung have a superb 2/30 for the NX that is only 89ukp.


No longer. Likely in response to this thread, I am now seeing asking prices of US$850!

I agree with anyone who believes this ridiculous, and no mere asking price is a guide to cost.

Still, I have to concede escalating asking prices often are a harbinger of price direction for actual sales. And in this instance that direction appears to be UP!


PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
650 bucks! Wow, crazy world indeed.

Just cos it's small and slightly close to a normal lens on APS-C, that to me is pretty crazy.

Maybe Samyang should start making 2/40 pancakes, seems there is a market for it.

Samsung have a superb 2/30 for the NX that is only 89ukp.


It would have to be m4/3 and NEX users asking for/paying this ridiculous price. The Canon users have the new 40mm F 2.8 pancake for apprx. $150.00, which from all accounts is an outstanding lens, or if they must have f 2.0, bump another $300.00 for a CV 40mm F 2.0. I kinda like the idea it is a bit wider that the "dead normal" focal length of 43mm with 24x36mm format.

Seems like Pentax is the only one to have tried that (43mm F 1.9 FA), and that one is not quite so "pancakie"? Kinda ironic that they do not have a 24x36mm digicam to mount it onto. For $750.00, you could butcher it and mount it on your 5DII:)


PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
WolverineX wrote:
here are scans from Olympus Sales Reps Manual about 40mm/2

Thanks for scans from Olympus 40mm f2, I appreciated.
I still don't understand with this expression:
Features completely new 6-Elements in 6-groups.........., with four elements of high refractive, low dispersion glass.

May be someone as experts of glass , can enlighten me , low dispersion glass not equal ED glass?


PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
convert1 wrote:
May be someone as experts of glass , can enlighten me , low dispersion glass not equal ED glass?


there were 2 types of low dispersion glass Olympus used, with ED being Extraordinary low Dispersion glass


PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks for that.
I appreciate it

Regards
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