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kansalliskala wrote:
Saw a topic about Tamron 103A, that are still everywhere.
Primes: Nikkor 1.8/50 or Helios 44 all incarnations combined are millions?
What others?
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55 wrote:
When browsing online auctions in the U.S., I see many Canon FD 50mm f/1.8 lenses.
And most of those are new FD. |
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At a rough guess I would imagine the Helios-44 (in all its many versions) would take some beating. It depends on what rules you formulate to decide the winner.
Are we talking manual focus only? If not then the Nikon and Canon 50/1.8 lenses would be up there due to the number sold in AF versions.
Do slight optical changes matter? If not then the Canon 50/1.8 was the SLR normal lens they started out with in 1959.
Nikon started out with a 7 element 50/2, which later changed to a conventional 6 element, then went to 1.8 at a later date.
Minolta started out with 55 and 58mm lenses, then in 1973 went to 50mm lenses.
The Pentax 55/1.8 must have sold a bunch. as did their 50/1.4, and later, their 50/2 as the kit lens for the long lived K1000 camera.
Mamiya started with a 58mm lens, then a 55/1.4 or 1.8 or 50/2, before settling on all 50mm normal lenses later on. They do win the prize for most mount changes by a manufacturer.
Topcon started out with 58mm lenses, but later went to 50mm lenses from external manufacturers.
The Meyer Optik Oreston was another quite long lived lens, surviving as the Pentacon 50/1.8
The Zeiss Tessar 50/2.8 was sold for many, many years, in many mounts, for many camera makers.
Another big selling lens would be the Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 50/2.8. I don't know if the rangefinder versions and the SLR versions are identical, but (most) German DKL leaf shutter cameras could be fitted with one, and a large percentage of rangefinders had it at one point as well.
Also another very prolific design was the 55/1.4 said to be a Tomioka lens, and later found as a Cosina lens. I have versions badged as Mamiya, Ricoh, Rexatar, Chinon, Cosinon, Exaktar, and there are others out there. |
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The nikkor 50m f1.8 did not appear until 1978.
The most common nikkor would be the 50mm f2.
It is the lens that passes through my hands the most.
Oddly enough, the f2 and f1.8 were made side by side for a few years.
The rendering of the f2 is my preference, with the "H" variant being the current personal favorite.
The "K" variant is technically a superior lens, but the "H" produces interesting images in a style of all it's own.
When I require precise contrast, I switch back to the "K" f2.
I think the Pentax 50mm would give the nikkor a good run for it's money numbers wise, at least.
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Domiplan 50/2.8 was also sold a lot as the cheapest option for Praktica. Next would be the Oreston/Pentacon 50/1.8
In the eighties a lot of Cosina 50/2 lenses in various brands.
In the digital age the rebel kitlens.
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visualopsins wrote:
Canon 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM AF lens introduced 2/1998, still in today's Canon EF lineup!
Yrs, Asahi produced about 1,000,000 1:1.8/55 (all versions)
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eggplant wrote:
It was me who claimed that Tamron 80-210mm and it's predecessor were most produced.
Likely because they can be adapted to any platform, which the lenses described above cannot, despite them being produced in mass quantities. Made in an era where adaptability was valued because noone knew which lens mounts would survive, also when zooms were just coming about (although Tamron had a *lot* of third party competitors).
It's not just that short reasoning but also from experience. However, I think I filed this experience away too soon-
Biases. For example, part of the reason I note the 80-210mm is for its somewhat decent quality whilst at the same time being very common. It and many of the Adaptall-2 line have aged well and are nice to notice compared to some Sirius lenses.
It's now more obvious that people just went with a variety of the very cheap zoom lenses from Hanimex, Sirius etc. I can't even say the Tamron is more common amongst these- it isn't, really. Just I notice it.
As a lot of the primes described above were replaced with new versions etc, it might be hard to call them the most populous. Although having multiple versions/replacements of a certain lens doesn't stop it from being produced in large numbers.
The Helios 44-2 is a hard one to judge, as it did have (slight) optical iterations just like Pentax/Nikon/Canon/Minolta etc, but was the original put out of production because of this? What was it's shelf life?
These and other questions are needed to better understand this idea of "produced for decades nonstop" given the 44-4M etc exists.
The Pentacon 50mm 1.8 was actually an example of no optical changes between versions, just coating changes, but whilst in high numbers I don't think it was as much as Helios 44-2.
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calvin83 wrote:
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Canon 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM AF lens introduced 2/1998, still in today's Canon EF lineup!
Yrs, Asahi produced about 1,000,000 1:1.8/55 (all versions) |
The EF 50/1.8 has even longer production time: from 1987 to now (EF 50/1.8, EF 50/1.8 II and EF 50/1.8 STM share the same optical scheme).
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D1N0 wrote:
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Canon 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM AF lens introduced 2/1998, still in today's Canon EF lineup!
Yrs, Asahi produced about 1,000,000 1:1.8/55 (all versions) |
The EF 50/1.8 has even longer production time: from 1987 to now (EF 50/1.8, EF 50/1.8 II and EF 50/1.8 STM share the same optical scheme). |
Shall we count the Yongnuo too?
The Pentax 50/1.4 has been in production since 1965 as Super-Takumar at first and now still as SMC Pentax-FA 50mm 1.4 (at least it has not been officially discontinued and is still for sale new)
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calvin83 wrote:
Oh, I forget the YN 50mm F1.8. 
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michelb wrote:
I counted about 2,011,000 + for Minolta MD 50mm F 1.7 (MD-III for purists) by collecting serial numbers.
This lens was sold/produced from 1981 to about 1990 so this number does not include previous versions like MC-X, MD-I or MD-II in which case this would account for a grand total of about 4,456,000 lenses with a start of production in 1972 for the MC-X version.
This was the preferred standard lens on Minolta's ubiquitous X-700, X-570 ( X-500) and X-370 (X-300) from 1981 until it was phased out in favor of AF bodies and lenses.
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kypfer wrote:
The Helios-44 and it's various incarnations has already been mentioned, but when I bought my first slr in '69 the Helios-44 was the "de-luxe" option and the (probably more common) "basic" was the both reviled and revered Industar-50, which has been fitted to untold quantities of Zenit cameras in both "Zenit-39" and the more recent M42 fitting.
Slightly off topic, but the Industar-50 was also available in both a fixed and extending mount for the USSR r/f cameras, so if the spec was stretched to include all interchangeable-lens cameras I suspect the Industar-50 could come out tops 
Other potential candidates might also include the ubiquitous 50mm f/2.8 Carl Zeiss Tessar and possibly even the Meyer Optic 50mm f/2.8 Domiplan. |
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stevemark wrote:
Apart from the Soviet lenses (which probably were manufactured in larger numbers than those in the west ... no diversity ...!!), the Minolta MC 1.7/55mm must have been produced in very large numbers as well: About 3'000'000 SLRs of the SR-T family, most of them delivered with the 1.7/55mm standard lens!
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michelb wrote:
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Apart from the Soviet lenses (which probably were manufactured in larger numbers than those in the west ... no diversity ...!!), the Minolta MC 1.7/55mm must have been produced in very large numbers as well: About 3'000'000 SLRs of the SR-T family, most of them delivered with the 1.7/55mm standard lens!
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My count for both MC-I and MC-II 55mm F 1.7 together (difficult to count separately, because there is a very large overlap of production between serials of MC-I and MC-II) tally up at about 761,000 lenses made.
Surprisingly, the 58mm F 1.4 from the same era tally up to about 665,000 lenses made which shows how good camera sales people were able to convince users that more expensive = better.
So there goes about 1,426,000 units to which we could add the 58mm F 1.2 of the same vintage (only about 52,000 lenses).
Since the SRT line had a long life extending into the MD-II era, there are many that were sold with later MC-X (965,000), MD-I and MD-II (867,000 with 55mm filter) to which we could also add the 1.4 versions which also showed some surprising numbers ( 593,000 MC-X and 407,000 for MD-I and MD-II together also with 55mm filters) which would add up to account for the about 3 million bodies you mention.
But the total volume winner is still the MD-III 50mm F 1.7 with over 2 million units on the Minolta side which was one of the higher volume camera maker.
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Vivitar. Close Focus Auto Zoom. ( TX Mount ) 90-230 / 4.5
I've read somewhere that this is the best selling zoom of all time. And it's not that bad, so it could be right?
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Vivitar. Close Focus Auto Zoom. ( TX Mount ) 90-230 / 4.5
I've read somewhere that this is the best selling zoom of all time. And it's not that bad, so it could be right? |
Probably US only sales. Don't see it very often in Europe. There are many of these zooms in similar ranges, mostly made by Tokina and sold as Vivitar or Soligor and other brands i'd guess. Big Solid metal zooms. To heavy to use really. Mechanically excellent, optically Ok, but not warranting to lug it around for over other options, like a compact 80-200/4.5 (also dirt cheap). I have a Soligor AUTO-ZOOM 1:4.5 f = 75-260mm in that type.
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The Vivitar 90-230 is certainly a ubiquitous optic, at least over here on this side of the pond. But my vote for the most mass produced lens of all time, including both breechlock and New FD, is the Canon 50mm f/1.8. And while some AF models may have been produced for a longer period of time, were more actually made?
Back in the heyday of MF lenses, 50/1.8's were practically body caps for every SLR sold. These days, there's a bit more variety for the body cap, and most of them are zooms, which tend to go through more iterations than a simple 50/1.8 did.
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Alsatian2017 wrote:
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Vivitar. Close Focus Auto Zoom. ( TX Mount ) 90-230 / 4.5
I've read somewhere that this is the best selling zoom of all time. And it's not that bad, so it could be right? |
The 90-230 f/4.5 was sold at a time when zoom lenses were not that popular yet. So I guess this lens would hardly be the best selling zoom of all time. I reckon the Tokina SZ 80-200 mm f/4 has more chances to claim that title. Made by the same lens maker (the 90-230 is a Tokina lens) during roughly half a decade and rebranded in multiple versions (Yashica, Hoya, Topcon, Rollei, Voigtländer, Konica, etc.) it might have been sold in even larger quantities than the above mentionned Tamron 103A. But this question will stay a secret forever unless we get confirmed sales figures of the lenses in question. |
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The Vivitar 90-230 is certainly a ubiquitous optic, at least over here on this side of the pond. But my vote for the most mass produced lens of all time, including both breechlock and New FD, is the Canon 50mm f/1.8. And while some AF models may have been produced for a longer period of time, were more actually made?
Back in the heyday of MF lenses, 50/1.8's were practically body caps for every SLR sold. These days, there's a bit more variety for the body cap, and most of them are zooms, which tend to go through more iterations than a simple 50/1.8 did. |
I agree. The Canon 50 mm f/1.8 might be the lens with the highest production numbers given that Canon was the champion in sales starting from the mid 1970s. |
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Tessar 2.8/50 in all variants surely.
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In terms of the most made zoom lens, another contender would be the Sun Optical 85-210 / 4.5 which started out as an F/4.8. This lens was sold by minor camera makers (Topcon, Petri), and at some point virtually every single rebadger would have sold copies of that lens, for over a decade at least. |
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Domiplan 50/2.8 was also sold a lot as the cheapest option for Praktica. Next would be the Oreston/Pentacon 50/1.8
In the eighties a lot of Cosina 50/2 lenses in various brands.
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Yes, the Canon 18-55 and 18-55 USM sold millions. I was one of those buyers,
of a non-AF and non-USM lens with my purchase of a refurbished XTi/400D kit.
I owned a USM version of the lens some years later, and it was good,
but I still enjoy MF lenses, so it was sold off.
I actually liked the lens. While it wasn't anything great, it gave me an opportunity
to experiment with focal distances and aperture, while keeping my costs affordable
with a decently-capable lens in a compact and fairly good package.
While I'd rather have something like an L-series 12-135 F/2.0, I can't afford such,
and I have some others to try and fill in the gap.
Canon's 28-135 is mentioned, and I like it a lot, but my 2 copies have suffered excessive
zoom creep. They're great lenses, but the zoom creep on a moving camera is a bit too much
to deal with if you're targeting different areas in your environment.
It's a winner in optics, but falls short on the mechanics.
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