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montecarlo
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 Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 6:06 pm Post subject: Voigtländer Vitomatic IIa |
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montecarlo wrote:
Hello all
Do you fave this camera : Voigtländer Vitomatic IIa ?
http://www.photoethnography.com/ClassicCameras/index-frameset.html?VoigtlanderVitomatic.html~mainFrame
How it performs/handles ? Is it reliable ? To what I should look when buing a used one ?
Thank you very much.
Regards.
Cosmin.
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Zenit E , Helios-44 58mm f:2.0 , Tair-11A 135mm f:2.8, Jupiter-9 85mm f:2.0,
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 35mm f:2.4
Pentax MX, ME Super, Chinon CE4/CM4, Petri MC 28mm f:2, smc Pentax-M 50mm f:1.7, Soligor T 135mm f:2.8
Minolta X500, Tokina 28/2.8, Rokkor 50/1.7, 80-205/4.5
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Nesster
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Nesster wrote:
I'm 0 for 2 with these, and I gave up. I really wanted one, but the shutter doesn't work well, and the lens can be frozen. So my experience is: not very reliable.
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
Years ago I was a voigtlander collector and I had got the vitomatic IIa
It was a very good camera, confiable, and with a very good skopar 2,8/50 lens - a tessar design lens 4 elements in 3 groups- (some models came with the ultron 2/50 - so-so lens). The skopar is sharp from F/8 to 16. Very, very soft at F/2,8 -4 and usuable (not very good) at 5,6. Look to the rear element : fungus.
It had a good telemeter system with a large patch to focus. The viewfinder was clear and in 1:1.
The real problem was the photometer. It's a @45 years old camera!!! This say everything, no?
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
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RF
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Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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montecarlo
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montecarlo wrote:
Thank you very much. 
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Canonet QL17 III
Zenit E , Helios-44 58mm f:2.0 , Tair-11A 135mm f:2.8, Jupiter-9 85mm f:2.0,
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 35mm f:2.4
Pentax MX, ME Super, Chinon CE4/CM4, Petri MC 28mm f:2, smc Pentax-M 50mm f:1.7, Soligor T 135mm f:2.8
Minolta X500, Tokina 28/2.8, Rokkor 50/1.7, 80-205/4.5
Nikon D90, Nikkor 35/2.0, Nikkor 50/1.8, Sigma 24/2.8, Nikkor 18-105 VR |
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montecarlo
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: :( |
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montecarlo wrote:
Well, I bought one, but I'm very disappointed (and my brother too - he would like a nice, cheap non-russian RF - nonrussian because its dimensions, not a leaf shutter/not enough silent and because the wind first-shutter selection order issue).
The seller (a local one, not from the same locality but from Romania) didn't tell me about the many problems the camera has although I asked first exactly to verify everything:
1.Almost stiff focusing ring
2.Non working rangefinder
3.The winder's lever has a crack , so if it will broke the camera is useless (the film can not be winded)
4.The camera received a big hit I suppose beacuse it has on the bottom a bend in the plate.
I hope the seller will accept it back (with full refund, of course). It was not bought through an auction site so I can not leave no feedback.
Otherwise it seems a VERY SOLID camera but not too ergonomical. The shutter is very silent (compared with a SLR).
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Canonet QL17 III
Zenit E , Helios-44 58mm f:2.0 , Tair-11A 135mm f:2.8, Jupiter-9 85mm f:2.0,
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 35mm f:2.4
Pentax MX, ME Super, Chinon CE4/CM4, Petri MC 28mm f:2, smc Pentax-M 50mm f:1.7, Soligor T 135mm f:2.8
Minolta X500, Tokina 28/2.8, Rokkor 50/1.7, 80-205/4.5
Nikon D90, Nikkor 35/2.0, Nikkor 50/1.8, Sigma 24/2.8, Nikkor 18-105 VR |
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Nesster
Joined: 24 Apr 2008
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Location: NJ, USA
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Nesster wrote:
Yes, it feels like they put lead inside, such a dense camera. And pretty too. I really hoped the two I bought would work... I did get 3 pics on one of them before it gave up.
The lens is stiff because the grease thickens with age. The viewfinder when it works I thought was beautiful - large and clear. And there is a lot of clever design built in.
Too bad about your purchase, I do hope you get your money back.
I wonder what other German RF's there are, small and pretty, but more sensible than the Vitomatic?
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Katastrofo
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Katastrofo wrote:
I was wondering if any of you guys have ever tried the Agfa Karats. The
ones to get are the Solagon and Helagon-lensed, models, from what I
hear. They are a nice compact German-made cam.
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Jesito
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Jesito wrote:
Hi Cosmin,
Sorry not to have seen this thread until now...
I got five Voigtlanders from the Vitoret - Vito family, one of them is a Vito much like yours.
I started collecting Vitorets because I had one when I was young, (I did the same with the Konica C35 for the same reason).
Mechanically all of mine are quite robust, they have survived well the pass of time. But their performance is not astonishing. And they have a common factor, the selenium cells are dead after all these years. Not really a problem because they use no battery. With the help of the F16/sunshine rule or an external light meter, one can use them easily.
The best pictures I got from them are always with B&W film, so I keep them for occasional use.
Jes.
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Zooms Sigma 70-300, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro, 35-70, 35-80, Vivitar 70-210 KA, Tamron 70-250.
Fixed Industar-50, , Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Pancolar 50mm, Volna-3, many Exakta lenses
DSLR SIGMA SD9 & SD14, EOS 5D, Sony A700 and NEXF3, Oly E-330, E-400, E-450, E-1
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Petri 6x45, Nettar, Franka Solida, Brilliant
SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30t, EXA500, EXA 1A, Spotmatic(2), Chinon CM-4S, Ricoh, Contax, Konica TC-X , Minolta 5000, 7000i, 3Sxi, EOS 500 and CX
Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3 & C4, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret (many), Welta Welti-I, Kodak Signette 35, Zorki-4, Bessa-R & L, Minolta Weathermatic, olympus XA2
Compact Film Konica C35V, Voigtlander Vitorets, Canon Prima Super 105, Olympus XA2 and XA3
Compact Digital Olympus C-5050, Aiptek Slim 3000, Canon Powershot A540, Nikon 5200, SIGMA DP1s, Polaroid X530, IXUS55, Kodak 6490, Powershot G9 and G10
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
[quote="Jesito"]Hi Cosmin,
I got five Voigtlanders from the Vitoret - Vito family, one of them is a Vito much like yours.
I started collecting Vitorets because I had one when I was young, (I did the same with the Konica C35 for the same reason).
Mechanically all of mine are quite robust, they have survived well the pass of time. But their performance is not astonishing. And they have a common factor, the selenium cells are dead after all these years. Not really a problem because they use no battery. With the help of the F16/sunshine rule or an external light meter, one can use them easily.
The best pictures I got from them are always with B&W film, so I keep them for occasional use.
Jes.[/quote]
Hello Jes.
I began as voigtlander collector with the cameras of my father, and I was, like you, very yang.
About the performance, you know that they have 4 normal lenses : vaskar (3 elements), lanthar (3 elements with one of lanthanum) skopar (a tessar with 4 elements) and the ultron F/2.
The skopar is the best, and the color pictures are fine with pastel tonalities and good sharpness from 8 to 16.
Of corse they weren't leica M, but nice. Regards.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Jesito
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
| estudleon wrote: |
Hello Jes.
I began as voigtlander collector with the cameras of my father, and I was, like you, very yang.
About the performance, you know that they have 4 normal lenses : vaskar (3 elements), lanthar (3 elements with one of lanthanum) skopar (a tessar with 4 elements) and the ultron F/2.
The skopar is the best, and the color pictures are fine with pastel tonalities and good sharpness from 8 to 16.
Of corse they weren't leica M, but nice. Regards. |
Unfortunately all mine are lanthar ones. The Ultron ones are too expensive...
Yes, besides the limitations, they are nice and easy to fix. I learned disassembling cameras with them.
Jes.
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Jesito's backsack:
Zooms Sigma 70-300, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro, 35-70, 35-80, Vivitar 70-210 KA, Tamron 70-250.
Fixed Industar-50, , Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Pancolar 50mm, Volna-3, many Exakta lenses
DSLR SIGMA SD9 & SD14, EOS 5D, Sony A700 and NEXF3, Oly E-330, E-400, E-450, E-1
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Petri 6x45, Nettar, Franka Solida, Brilliant
SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30t, EXA500, EXA 1A, Spotmatic(2), Chinon CM-4S, Ricoh, Contax, Konica TC-X , Minolta 5000, 7000i, 3Sxi, EOS 500 and CX
Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3 & C4, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret (many), Welta Welti-I, Kodak Signette 35, Zorki-4, Bessa-R & L, Minolta Weathermatic, olympus XA2
Compact Film Konica C35V, Voigtlander Vitorets, Canon Prima Super 105, Olympus XA2 and XA3
Compact Digital Olympus C-5050, Aiptek Slim 3000, Canon Powershot A540, Nikon 5200, SIGMA DP1s, Polaroid X530, IXUS55, Kodak 6490, Powershot G9 and G10
CSCCanon EOS-M, Samsung NX100 and NX210, Lumix G5, NEX-F3 |
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