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yadisl
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 Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:07 pm Post subject: Voigtlander Braunschwig Heliar 15 cm / 4.5 |
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yadisl wrote:
Some years ago I tried to make my own bellows using rubber T-Rod cover from a Toyota and macro extender to attach it on Pentax K10D
I'm using a compur shutter and the lenses are Voigtlander Heliar 15 cm / 4.5 and APO Lanthar 15 cm / 4.5
Here is the mechanism:
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8376/apotssampingpq1.jpg
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yadisl
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yadisl wrote:
Samples with APO Lanthar
By yadisl, shot with PENTAX K10D at 2008-08-25
By yadisl, shot with PENTAX K10D at 2008-08-28
Samples with Heliar
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5960/heliar1hv7.jpg
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/9986/sampleheliarxu6.jpg
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welcome to the forum yadisl... nice entrance!
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yadisl
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yadisl wrote:
Thank you Bruce!
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Welcome ! Nice to see your great pictures here!
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wow ! great ! welcome !
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Welcome indeed - we are always happy to meet a new and refreshing form of our own lunacy
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yadisl
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yadisl wrote:
Thank you all, such a warm welcome 
Yes, sometimes I doubt my sanity too while finding myself daydreaming about lenses and equipments almost nobody bother about these days ...
Jadi[/i]
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patrickh wrote:
You are in the right place 
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kds315* wrote:
Excellent Yadi, two wonderful lenses in good hands!!
Welcome here!!
(P.S.: wheres does Adenium Obesum grow in The Netherlands - botanical garden??)
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: Voigtlander Braunschwig Heliar 15 cm / 4.5 |
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ChrisLilley wrote:
| yadisl wrote: |
Some years ago I tried to make my own bellows using rubber T-Rod cover from a Toyota and macro extender to attach it on Pentax K10D
I'm using a compur shutter and the lenses are Voigtlander Heliar 15 cm / 4.5 and APO Lanthar 15 cm / 4.5
Here is the mechanism:
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8376/apotssampingpq1.jpg |
Interesting! So, what is the total extension required, for the apo-lanthar?
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yadisl
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yadisl wrote:
The Adenium shot was taken in a tropical country. I haven't seen any here.
I used complete set of Pentax-K extender (3 pieces) plus half of the rubber T-Rod joint cover. It is sooo difficult to use. May be a Canon tilt/shift bellow may help, but I almost spend all the money for the holy grails
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kds315*
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Voigtlander Braunschwig Heliar 15 cm / 4.5 |
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kds315* wrote:
| ChrisLilley wrote: |
| yadisl wrote: |
Some years ago I tried to make my own bellows using rubber T-Rod cover from a Toyota and macro extender to attach it on Pentax K10D
I'm using a compur shutter and the lenses are Voigtlander Heliar 15 cm / 4.5 and APO Lanthar 15 cm / 4.5
Here is the mechanism:
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8376/apotssampingpq1.jpg |
Interesting! So, what is the total extension required, for the apo-lanthar? |
Rule of thumb:
- at infinity, extention is the focal lengt,
- at 1:1 it is twice (2x) the focal length
(minus camera register)
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http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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yadisl
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yadisl wrote:
Very helpful rules Klaus.
Nice, thanks!
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Tell me what you love, I will tell you who you are (Proust)
TLR yashica 635, 124
Canon canonet 1.9
Olympus E500
KM Dynax 7D
Sigma DP1
Rokkor MD 200/4, MD 50/1.4, MC PF 50/1.4, MD 135/3.5, Pentax SMC-M 50/4 macro, Takumar 105/2.8, Jena DDR 135/3.5, Porst 135/2.8, Prinzgalaxy 300/4, Mamiya ZE 300/4, Jena Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, CZJ Flektogon 4/20, Helios 58/2, Konica Hexar AR 50/1.4, Wollensak Velostigmat 90/4.5, Voigtlander Heliar 18 cm / 4.5, Heliar 15 cm / 4.5, APO Lanthar 15 cm / 4.5, Zeiss Tessar 105/3.5, Zeiss Opton 75/3.5, Mamiya 55/2.8, ZD 14-42, Minolta 17-35/2.8-4 D, Petri 35/3.5, Leica-R 35/2.8, Minolta 70-210/4, Minolta 35-70/4, Minolta 50/1.7. |
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