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estudleon
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 Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:04 pm Post subject: vivitar 90-230 |
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estudleon wrote:
Hi for all.
I want to know how much versions of the zoom 90-230 in vivitar brand exist out there.
T4 ? TX ? Only two?
Are similar in formulas?
Thanks for read. Rino.
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Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
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Boomer Depp
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Boomer Depp wrote:
I know there was a fixed mount close focus designed in 1975 between the first T4 and the later TX design in the fixed mount.The TX had two design generations,the later compact close focus and the earlier standard 90-230 with the tripod mount.The 90-230 close focus was originally a fixed mount,later used in the TX mount.
The TX 1st generation version has 12 elements in 9 groups versus the 13 elements in 9 groups optical design of the compact close focus version.
The TX 1st generation minimum focusing distance is 1.5m/5 ft versus the 43 centimeters(17 inches) of the close focus,the close focus also has a 2m/6.5 ft in normal shooting mode.
Perhaps someone else here knows if the T4 was the same optical design(I would suspect the TX was redesigned due to the influence of advances in zoom optics in the mid 70's, but perhaps not).
1st Design T4 mount 1969 with tripod mount
2nd Design Fixed mount Close Focus 1975 no tripod mount
1st generation TX 1975 with tripod mount
2nd generation TX Close Focus 1979 no tripod mount
Vivitar 90-230 Close Focus
Max Aperture: f/4.5...TX 1st same
Min Aperture: f/22....TX 1st same
Construction: 13 elements in 9 groups....TX 1st 12 elements in 9 groups
Front Element Rotation: Yes... 1st TX 1st same
Minimum Normal Focus: 6.5 feet/2 meters...
"Close Focus" Minimum Distance: 17 inches/43 centimeters...TX 1st 5 feet/1.5
Reproduction Ratio: 1:4....TX 1st 1:7.5
Filter Size: 62mm....TX 1st 58mm
Length: 6.5 inches/16.5 centimeters...TX 1st 8.25 inches
Weight: 28 ounces/794 grams....TX 1st 31 ounces
Other: Built-in Lens Hood...TX 1st same
2nd Generation TX Close Focus 90-230
1st Generation TX 90-230
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luisalegria
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luisalegria wrote:
Since these were made by Tokina, there are versions of this lens under many brands. Check ebay for 90-230 and you will find dozens of these on any day.
There was also a preset version, which may or may not have been earlier than the T4 version.
I have this in Soligor T4 and Sears M42 and a preset Lentar. They all seem to be the same optically.
The later more compact version in TX was also sold in fixed mounts by others. I also have another Sears version that was rebranded from Mamiya, sold by Mamiya as an SX lens.
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
Thanks guys. Very nice answers.
Here in Argentina there are two of this zoom to sell. And seems to be the oldest.
Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Boomer Depp
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Boomer Depp wrote:
How much is postage to Argentina? I can probably find one and ship it to you.
The other Vivitar Close Focus zoom lenses are the 35-105/3.5 (Fixed and TX Tokina)...70-150/3.8 (Fixed mount Kiron & TX mount Tokina)....75-205/3.8(Fixed mount Kiron)...85-205/3.8 (Fixed mount Kiron)....100-300/5 (TX & Fixed Tokina).
The 85-205 is not as good as the other close focus lenses.All these close focus lenses are a pleasure to use.These lens are capable of focusing very close if you use the zoom ring between the shortest focal length and "Close Focus" area as your focusing ring. Not the way it's intended to be used, but it works very well. Normally you're supposed to set the zoom ring to the "Close Focus" detente and then you have a short range of distances you can accommodate with the focus ring. In practice you can vary the Close Focus distance quite a bit using the zoom ring for coarse focus and then fine-focusing with the focus ring.
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Big Dawg
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Big Dawg wrote:
I have owned both the T4 and the TX versions of this lens but not the close focus ones. They perform very well and are the same as far as I can tell optically. Very nice shooting lens. And quite cheap here in the US.
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
Boomer Depp
Thanks you, very much. The problem is the office here, in Argentina, where the things that come in sometimes they are lost or they broken. They "lost" 4 e-phones to my wife. I prefer not to take any risk with that people.
Thanks again. Rino.
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CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Big Dawg
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Big Dawg wrote:
My T4 90-230. I really like this one and it was less than 20 dollars US.
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mo wrote:
I have one similar to Bid Dawgs in the Soligor except with the chrome F stop and metal focusing ring #17666164 (T4) I am using it now so can post photos in a week or so.
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Big Dawg
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Big Dawg wrote:
I think they are an overlooked lens and shunned mainly because of the look. Not as sexy as some of the newer designs.
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Boomer Depp wrote:
What surprised me about the first version is how well it shoots compared to it's big brother the 75-260 which flares quite readily even in overcast weather. |
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Big Dawg
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| What surprised me about the first version is how well it shoots compared to it's big brother the 75-260 which flares quite readily even in overcast weather. |
True...but it can get some good captures too..
75-260 Viv TX lens
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Boomer Depp
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Boomer Depp wrote:
Nice captures Big Dawg! You've mastered that lens very well. |
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Big Dawg
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Big Dawg wrote:
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| Nice captures Big Dawg! You've mastered that lens very well. |
You are too kind. Actually I've yet to explore either the 90-230 or the 75-260 to the point of mastery. Much more to do with each. So little time...........So many lenses..........
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The challenge for all of us 
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Big Dawg
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Big Dawg wrote:
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As they say in Alabama...Amen brother. 
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bernhardas wrote:
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I just removed the url tags from the above picture and kept the img tags...not sure what you may be doing wrong with the drag and drop/upload function.It is normal to just see the written words,if you use "preview button" before you click on the "submit button" you can check how the image will look on the final post....and see if you have it working or not.  I hope I have explained it well enough.
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Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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AstroZon
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I too will revive this thread as I was about to make a new post about the Vivitar 90-230. Luckily I found this one already started. Anyway, here's mine:
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Big Dawg
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Big Dawg wrote:
Glad folks are still posting in this thread. These are really a good bang for the buck lens.
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Lloydy wrote:
They sure are a great bang for the buck lens. I needed another zoom in this range like a hole in the head, but when I saw this lens in a dealers box of crap at the Camera Fair for £5 I just had to have it. If it was boxed it would be mint.
I haven't used it much, but that's not because I don't think it's a good lens, I think it is - but I generally reach for a Viv Series 1 70-210 or the very under rated Yashica ML 80-200 / 4. Does it compare to those lenses? Well, I haven't done any direct comparisons, but I think in a blind test this very common and cheap lens would surprise us.
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luisalegria wrote:
Hi Big Dawg !
Haven't heard from you in a while.
Hope things are going well for you.
Original versions of this thing were Tokina. Later versions seem to have varied.
There seem to have been a couple of different versions of the shortened two-touch type sold as Vivitar.
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Big Dawg wrote:
Hi
Luis. I retire in 191 days so things right now are going very good.
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