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Zuiko 28mm f/3.5 vs SMC Pentax 28mm f/3.5 new tests
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 1:38 pm    Post subject: Zuiko 28mm f/3.5 vs SMC Pentax 28mm f/3.5 new tests Reply with quote

I did a quick (infinity) comparison earlier between these two lenses, although the weather was pretty bad that time, and I didn't take into account CA, flare and close focus performance.

So here is a new test. Let's start at (near) infinity. Focus is on the first line of trees. I searched in the image where I found the worst CA performance, and this is where I did the CA comparison.

nearinfinity comparisonwith CA by devoscasper, on Flickr

In general, we see a bit more saturated and contrasty image, but the Zuiko image does not look bad at all. There is some CA wide open with the Zuiko, but really nothing severe (remember this is on a 42+ mp sensor). CA performance of the Pentax however, is near perfect wide open. Both lenses do very good in this regard when stopped down to f/5.6 and smaller. The Pentax draws this area of extreme contrast a bit better. In my earlier test I found that the Zuiko reaches sharpness in the corners a bit faster than the Pentax. I think that is the case in this test as well, although the difference is minimal, and the Pentax shows better contrast it seems. The Pentax has multicoated optics, whereas the Zuiko hasn't so no surprise.

Then, a flare test. Light source is a Nanlite FS-150 with a snoot attached. I included two extra lenses as a reference. I made sure to use no UV-filters, because these negatively influenced flare performance.
flarecomparison by devoscasper, on Flickr

The Pentax did best, but the Zuiko is not too bad actually, as this is about the maximum I could provoke. There are creative possibilities with the Zuiko here as well.

Then, close focus test:
closefocuscomparison by devoscasper, on Flickr

You don't really buy these lenses for bokeh, but I didn't notice a significant difference between the two. Also, both lenses are very sharp at this close focusing distance @ f/3.5 and f/5.6, so nothing to complain.

Conclusion: the multi-coated Pentax did a bit better in most respects than the Zuiko, but the Zuiko did a very respectable job. The Zuiko is also a very sharp lens, both @ infinity and close distance. It is only single coated, but did a solid job when is comes to CA performance. Flare is present, when the Zuiko is pointed at a strong light source, but not in an image-ruining way. It certainly performs better than I anticipated. If you want to travel as light as possible, the Zuiko would also be a good option IMO, as it weights only 170 grams, whereas the Pentax weights 262 grams. The Pentax does more than a great job IMO for a vintage lens, and remains my favorite 28 for now.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you! For tests!

Nice to see the flower arrangement "in situ". Smile https://forum.mflenses.com/flowers-with-mamiya-sekor-c-zoom-75-150mm-f-4-5-t85400.html

SMC Pentax K 1:3.5 / 28mm has the same optics as M42 Asahi Optical Co., Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 1:3.5 / 28.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

visualopsins wrote:
Thank you! For tests!

Nice to see the flower arrangement "in situ". Smile https://forum.mflenses.com/flowers-with-mamiya-sekor-c-zoom-75-150mm-f-4-5-t85400.html


SMC Pentax K 1:3.5 / 28mm has the same optics as M42 Asahi Optical Co., Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 1:3.5 / 28.


Yeah, my wife is also happy with my hobby. Wink . About the Pentax: Actually it’s not. Although most K lenses inherited the optics of their M42 S-M-C Takumar predecessors, this is not the case for the SMC Pentax 28mm f/3.5.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you!

M42:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/S-M-C-Super-Takumar-28mm-F3.5.html


K:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-K-28mm-F3.5-Lens.html


PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not for nothing that Leica shooters have also discovered the Pentax, on of mine even came with an Leica m-mount adapter (but that had haze or separation in the cemented element that blew out my corners, so I had to get another one)


PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

try fujica 28 / 3.5 on ax mount, they are very very good and quite cheap (or were) too.

in my book that leans beats diverse yashicas (even ml 2Cool, canon fdn 28, konica 28/3.5 and what ever i have from older glass - i dont have rokkor / pentax.


PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The formula's a bit different, but the S-M-C Tak version is still a great lens.

visualopsins wrote:
Thank you!

M42:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/S-M-C-Super-Takumar-28mm-F3.5.html


K:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-K-28mm-F3.5-Lens.html


PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alex_d wrote:
try fujica 28 / 3.5 on ax mount, they are very very good and quite cheap (or were) too.

in my book that leans beats diverse yashicas (even ml 2Cool, canon fdn 28, konica 28/3.5 and what ever i have from older glass - i dont have rokkor / pentax.


Interesting, thank you. Do you have a picture of the lens? I don’t know if there are multiple versions?


PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for running this.

The zuiko exhibits a bit of glow along the edges, but nothing major. I like it's contrast levels over the k-pentax- which in some cases can be a matter of personal taste.

I had a Zuiko 35 here for a while, with nothing to mount it on. Very well put together lens, and a smooth focus.

-D.S.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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lens is this, DM mark is about Fujica auto-functions things incorporated in their last slr AX series camera.

As far as I know they are all EBC only.

Be aware, there is an 'X-kominar' in 28 / 2.8 sold together with an AX mount, but I believe that's a Cosina lens, which was widely made for various mounts in the '80s and '90s.
It's still a good lens, but you probably have it or have had it at some point.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alex_d wrote:
[img]https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ffr.shopping.rakuten.com%2Fphoto%2Ffuji-fujica-objectif-fujinon-28-3-5-ebc-x-dm-1156329821_L.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=01ba8d074d195d1d4d15ebc4ceffec6434603b5cb83259a4025838e5fde05cb4&ipo=images[/img]

lens is this, DM mark is about Fujica auto-functions things incorporated in their last slr AX series camera.

As far as I know they are all EBC only.

Be aware, there is an 'X-kominar' in 28 / 2.8 sold together with an AX mount, but I believe that's a Cosina lens, which was widely made for various mounts in the '80s and '90s.
It's still a good lens, but you probably have it or have had it at some point.


Thanks, so this is an entirely different lens than this one, right?
https://stephend.photo/fuji-ebc-fujinon-sw-28mm-f35
This one supposedly has soft corners.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have that SW (m42) on fujica 801 and only just once on my fuji aps digi,

so cant comment soft corners, and I would not be upset what other write about it.

anyway, on an aps, SW was 'not so good..' (whatever that could means at the moment back then) as DM (AX mount) was.

In my book, DM is a 'better' lens. I cant comment if they are the same opti formula / same lens - ex mount.

an analog combo of any of fujica series 701/801/901 slr's with its lenses is a great investment and for analog and for hobby/enthusiast/creative/documentary/street/***/whatever digital photography.

some more lenses worth from that fuji great period (also medium G cameras and lenses);
- legendary 100/2.8, a wide one but I forgot **mm/1.9, 55/1.6, and one rare 'Tomioka' in 1.4 model and a wet dream 55/1.2.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alex_d wrote:
a wide one but I forgot **mm/1.9

The 35mm f/1.9 EBC Fujinon-w

Awesome lens that creates a very distinctive look. Way softer corners than modern users would accept, but has really great colors and rendering.


PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2024 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BrianSVP wrote:
alex_d wrote:
a wide one but I forgot **mm/1.9

The 35mm f/1.9 EBC Fujinon-w

Awesome lens that creates a very distinctive look. Way softer corners than modern users would accept, but has really great colors and rendering.


ok yes, a 35 .. i had to think hard but nothing came above as im a bit out of the photo theory & history lately.

never had that lens myself but i know it from the legend that goes form generation to generation.

btw:

and I would emphasize: 'shame on you fuji for creating great lenses with soft corners that modern photographers cannot use on their digital cameras...'

unheard ..

---edit;

well i had to dig in cause i was stunned by the fast that i forgot the facts,

and now i know it again: there are 2 versions in 1.9,

- 01 is *-w version, 35mm and m42

- 02 is *-dm version, in ax mount -> see links on this forum, https://forum.mflenses.com/x-fujinon-1-9-28-t72393.html
https://forum.mflenses.com/x-fujinon-sw-28mm--19-ebc-t81042.html


PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2024 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ended up de facto trading one of these (35mm m42) with a friend for a Pentax 55/1.2. Basically, I had his lens, and he had mine, and we both ended up moving.

Now don't get me wrong; the Pentax is a great lens. Not cheap, either. But I honestly think my friend got the better end of the trade!


Never tried the 28 X version, but the examples in your linked thread look great.

alex_d wrote:
BrianSVP wrote:
alex_d wrote:
a wide one but I forgot **mm/1.9

The 35mm f/1.9 EBC Fujinon-w

Awesome lens that creates a very distinctive look. Way softer corners than modern users would accept, but has really great colors and rendering.


ok yes, a 35 .. i had to think hard but nothing came above as im a bit out of the photo theory & history lately.

never had that lens myself but i know it from the legend that goes form generation to generation.

btw:

and I would emphasize: 'shame on you fuji for creating great lenses with soft corners that modern photographers cannot use on their digital cameras...'

unheard ..

---edit;

well i had to dig in cause i was stunned by the fast that i forgot the facts,

and now i know it again: there are 2 versions in 1.9,

- 01 is *-w version, 35mm and m42

- 02 is *-dm version, in ax mount -> see links on this forum, https://forum.mflenses.com/x-fujinon-1-9-28-t72393.html
https://forum.mflenses.com/x-fujinon-sw-28mm--19-ebc-t81042.html


PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2024 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alex_d wrote:
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Be aware, there is an 'X-kominar' in 28 / 2.8 sold together with an AX mount, but I believe that's a Cosina lens, which was widely made for various mounts in the '80s and '90s.
It's still a good lens, but you probably have it or have had it at some point.


X-KOMINar made by KOMINE a manufacturer of top lenses in 70's/80's ie : 90mm macro 1:1 sold by vivitar, panagor ... for vivitar s1 series : 135/2.3 - 200/3 - 28/90 - 70/210 2.8-4 + some less well known lenses but still very good: 35/70 3.5 + 135mm 2.8 macro vivitar , ....


PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2024 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Despite the similarity in name, Kominar lenses reputablr sources indicate they were made Nittoh, NOT Komine.

Nittoh used the mark for well-regarded lenses.as far back as the 1950s, decades before Komine even existed, and there is speculation that Komine chose its own name to dishonestly imply a connection to the Kominar lenses.

PBFACTS wrote:
alex_d wrote:
[img]
Be aware, there is an 'X-kominar' in 28 / 2.8 sold together with an AX mount, but I believe that's a Cosina lens, which was widely made for various mounts in the '80s and '90s.
It's still a good lens, but you probably have it or have had it at some point.


X-KOMINar made by KOMINE a manufacturer of top lenses in 70's/80's ie : 90mm macro 1:1 sold by vivitar, panagor ... for vivitar s1 series : 135/2.3 - 200/3 - 28/90 - 70/210 2.8-4 + some less well known lenses but still very good: 35/70 3.5 + 135mm 2.8 macro vivitar , ....


PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure, but what i mean (I see I have to go into details every time...) ;

- I believe that the lens originally came from Cosina, and then other (if!) manufacturers started producing it under various brands. I have had the same lens branded with some very strange and funny names.

As far as I know from my reading, Komina had its own lenses and optical formulas a long time ago.
In 70-80 they made lenses that were established as opti formula but from others, as Cosina for example.

However, I suspect that much of this is part of an internet legend, much like many other stories about Japanese photo products.

Hello, Tomioka!