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jimlizard
Joined: 22 Apr 2008 Posts: 128 Location: Fafe, Portugal
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: Elmarit-R 35mm (versions) |
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jimlizard wrote:
Hi,
I read that the R1 (type I) version has bad contrast and flares pretty easy but, what about the sharpness, bokeh and CA? Is it on pair with the R2 and R3 or can't it also compete in those fields?
Thank you for your help! _________________ Canon EOS 5D Mark II
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:58 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
My leicabook (Sartorius) does not comment on the optical quality (it rarely does, and never in negative terms).
What is sure is that there are several versions of this lens in terms of various changes, but only two versions in terms of optical changes. The new optical scheme starts with number 2517857.
Note that cams alone are not enough to determine the versions. A second cam was in fact used on first optical version lenses since 1968 (lens code number 11201, the same the second optical version starts with, generating even more confusion).
As far as I know, it is the corner performance and wide open performance that sets the two versions apart. If you use the lens on a crop camera, you can ignore the corner performance. As for wide open, all first series R lenses are softer, but there is some people who prefer it that way because of the smoother bokeh. At central stops in the centre of frame, there should be no significant difference between versions, as they all should be excellent. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: Re: Elmarit-R 35mm (versions) |
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LucisPictor wrote:
jimlizard wrote: |
Hi,
I read that the R1 (type I) version has bad contrast and flares pretty easy but, what about the sharpness, bokeh and CA? Is it on pair with the R2 and R3 or can't it also compete in those fields?
Thank you for your help! |
That's the problem with hearsay and that's the problem with everybody only having one copy of a lens.
Look here: http://forum.mflenses.com/lens-reviews-t2406,start,30.html
I have published my personal review of this lens... _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I think that first version Leicas may have their positive side in the bokeh.
I am curious for instance of trying the first version Summicron-R 50.
After all, there is a limit on how sharp you can get with a lens for practical purposes (i.e. outside of laboratory tests). I think that a properly focused properly executed shot on a first version series lens at f/5.6 or f/8 would not need to be any more sharp than what it is!
On the contrary, a good bokeh always has it's value, no matter what stop you use it at. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
[quote]I think that first version Leicas may have their positive side in the bokeh.
I am curious for instance of trying the first version Summicron-R 50.
After all, there is a limit on how sharp you can get with a lens for practical purposes (i.e. outside of laboratory tests). I think that a properly focused properly executed shot on a first version series lens at f/5.6 or f/8 would not need to be any more sharp than what it is!
On the contrary, a good bokeh always has it's value, no matter what stop you use it at.[/quote]
ORIO
I used the first version of the summicron R 50 and it were soft only at F/2 with nice bokeh. At F/2,8 it seemed me a so-so soft, with no much nice bokeh, but at F/4 to F/11 it was a leica sharpness and contrast
In the same way were the line of summilux M. Very, very soft at F/ 1,4 and F/2 with the nice bokeh that I saw anytime. At F/5,6 they are shaper than the summicronsM and R (of course). That is in my copies of this lenses _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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jimlizard
Joined: 22 Apr 2008 Posts: 128 Location: Fafe, Portugal
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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jimlizard wrote:
Thank you a lot for your help!
In fact i found that information in more than one site, but is also good to see there are people with good copies, like you Lucispictor!
Orio, i already knew that serial number information, but thank you anyway!
I took the risk and i bought one some minutes ago. In a 35mm, i'm not too worried about corner sharpness, even on full-frame. It wasn't cheap at all, but i was needing something to confort me after the game. The irony is that i bought it from a german guy. They won, and i already pay them.
117.50eur (+25eur - shipping costs). It's the first version and, according to the serial number, it was made in 1969.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=220244529519
It doens't look bad, i think it was an ordinary deal. _________________ Canon EOS 5D Mark II
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
jimlizard wrote: |
117.50eur (+25eur - shipping costs). |
This is an excellent price for an Elmarit-R 35, no matter what version.
Congratulations and we look forward to see images from it!
Especially of Portugal land - it's a long time I dream to make a car trip to Portugal and visit all coast. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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jimlizard
Joined: 22 Apr 2008 Posts: 128 Location: Fafe, Portugal
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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jimlizard wrote:
Thank you, Orio!
I confess that i gave my price opinion based on the "Leica R Lens price guide", but now i see that many copies are sell for much more than i paid.
It comes with a lens hood, that is a good and important add-on.
I hope you have the opportunity to make that trip, because i'm sure you'll really love Portugal! I know it's normal and expected from me to say it, but it's honestly a very beautiful country.
My dream trips are always on car too (especially in classic ones). I think we have much more fun that way. _________________ Canon EOS 5D Mark II
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
jimlizard wrote: |
I hope you have the opportunity to make that trip, because i'm sure you'll really love Portugal! I know it's normal and expected from me to say it, but it's honestly a very beautiful country. |
I am sure too. It will happen someday, after I recover from the house expenses.
jimlizard wrote: |
My dream trips are always on car too (especially in classic one). I think we have much more fun that way. |
Traveling by car is important for a photographer!
Although train never stopped me if I wanted to go somewhere
But a travel like Portugal coast, where what you meet along the way is as important as your destination, really requires the car. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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poilu
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:15 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
congrats David! this one look in excellent shape _________________ T* |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Congratulations!
I am sure you will like this lens a lot! _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Fotal
Joined: 02 Mar 2008 Posts: 282 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Fotal wrote:
all this talk about Leica plus the fact that I lost a bid on some Zeiss glass made me buy a Summicron-R 35.
Fantastic feeling handling the lens but I've not yet had a chance to look at the pictures taken from it.
The bad part is that when I drove to pickup this lens a stone from a truck hit my front windscreen and busted the glass, small star shaped crack but it will grow for sure and it's straight in my line of sight. Hit the windscreen so hard I though it would go straight through and hit me in the face.
So, instead of be bummed out because of the cash I need to shell out on a new windscreen I convince myself that I was lucky that I didn't get hurt or jerked the steeringwheel and crashed the car or something.
To sum it up, this litte Leica better be good. _________________ Mr Scott please restrain your leaps of illogic. I have said nothing. I was merely speculating. |
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Think of how worse it would have been if the cracked glass was that of your Summicron! _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Fotal
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Fotal wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Think of how worse it would have been if the cracked glass was that of your Summicron! |
Hehe, yeah then I would have cried for sure! _________________ Mr Scott please restrain your leaps of illogic. I have said nothing. I was merely speculating. |
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jimlizard
Joined: 22 Apr 2008 Posts: 128 Location: Fafe, Portugal
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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jimlizard wrote:
Amazing story, Fotal!
I agree, it better be good!
The Elmarit didn't arrive yet and i already bought a Summicron-R 35mm E55 today, since i sold some equipment in the last few days. I have to put the Elmarit on sale now. Am i getting some virus in here?
I was bidding on this one:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT&item=160253668098
My last offer was 341eur, i think, but i wasn't really, really interested, because the seller didn't accept paypal payment and i would have to wait some more and to pay some taxes using international transfer.
Then i decided to make an offer in this one:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=320265587398
The seller accepted it and i won 29eur. The shipping costs were a little cheaper and, taking in consideration those bank taxes, the final price was the same.
The other was a more recent model, made in 1988 and mine 10 years before. However, taking photos in consideration, mine seems to be in better shape, with less marks and it also includes a very nice Leica leather case.
Resuming, i think it was a good deal and i'm happy i didn't buy the first one. _________________ Canon EOS 5D Mark II
Canon EF 24mm f/1.4 L USM
Canon EF 35mm f/1.4 L USM
Carl Zeiss Planar T* 50mm f/1.4
Olympus OM Zuiko 135mm f/3.5
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Orio
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
COngratulations Jim!
Canoshop has good items, they served me well. I'm sure you will be happy. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3975 Location: Switzerland
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stevemark wrote:
Repairing the 2nd version of the Leica Elmarit R 2.8/35mm:
https://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1586233.html#1586233
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