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pimpy1
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:29 pm Post subject: Fuji Fujinon 55mm f2.2 Lens Radioactive |
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I did not know that some of the Fujinon 55mm f2.2 Lenses are Radioactive. Has anyone tested the optical quality differences in the three different versions?
Video showing that the slightly newer version has Thorium. https://youtu.be/0AyXktR5qWI |
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Alun Thomas
Joined: 20 Aug 2018 Posts: 652 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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Alun Thomas wrote:
I have an X-Fujinon FAX mount version serial number 305453. As part of my effort to make a list of all my various photographic items I have done radiation testing for a large number of them now. My test results were 0.17uSV/hr at the front lens and 0.16uSV/hr at the rear lens. Those readings are almost indistinguishable from background readings taken with that instrument in my location, so I would say the likelihood of that particular lens having radioactive elements is very low.
As a comparison, a 7 element copy of the Super Takumar 50mm F/1.4 lens measured 0.72uSV/hr at the front element and 1.78uSV/hr at the rear using my particular tester, roughly 10 times higher.
edit: From the video, it's an M42 'newer' version that is quite radioactive. It does seem odd for Fujinon to use a different optical design for the middle version of their entry grade kit lens, and then either redesign it again, or return to the original design, especially when radioactive glass types would traditionally have been more expensive and normally only used on the top lenses offered. But something definitely happened. |
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pimpy1
Joined: 13 Nov 2019 Posts: 20 Location: United States
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 1:43 am Post subject: |
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pimpy1 wrote:
His version of the newer m42 mount showed around 35 microsieverts/h which is pretty high. I have one in the original 200,000 serial number range that shows no radiation. |
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calvin83
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 1:59 am Post subject: |
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It seems i should get the new version. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3702 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
pimpy1 wrote: |
His version of the newer m42 mount showed around 35 microsieverts/h which is pretty high. I have one in the original 200,000 serial number range that shows no radiation. |
Probably just stored in Fukushima vicinity. _________________ ---------------------------------
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pimpy1
Joined: 13 Nov 2019 Posts: 20 Location: United States
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:51 am Post subject: |
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pimpy1 wrote:
I bought one of the newer m42 versions off of ebay. Going to test one out for myself. |
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BrianSVP
Joined: 09 Jun 2023 Posts: 335 Location: Philadelphia
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:36 am Post subject: |
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BrianSVP wrote:
pimpy1 wrote: |
His version of the newer m42 mount showed around 35 microsieverts/h which is pretty high. |
Not really.
Sieverts and their subfractions are dosage measurements, not emissions measurements, so that's not even a useful measurement here, since no, you are not going to have the front of that lens against your skin for any significant periods of time.
Why? Because a)all the glass and metal between you and the lens when you mount it is going to block more or less 100% of Alpha and Beta particles (the vast majority of the dosage coming from thorium decay), which are not reflected by the mirror or refracted by the prism into your eye, and b) radiation is subject to the inverse square law, so the 10cm or so of space alone between you and the rear of the lens (where it's already attenuated 10x) during use would attenuate any remaining gamma rays generated to a microscopic fraction of that supposed 35 usv/hour. Even with the counter directly against the rear of the lens, he's getting only ~1 usv/hr! That's like one bunch of bananas' worth of exposure per hour.
For some further perspective, even if you somehow received the full 35 usv/hr dose, it would take close to 25 hours to get the same dosage as a single mammogram, or 600+ hours to reach what's considered the yearly safe dosage for a radiation worker (20,000 usv or 20 msv). [/i] |
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RokkorDoctor
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:20 am Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
Personally I would be more worried about the ever-increasing background levels on non-ionising RF and microwave radiation everyone is exposed to these days.
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Phalbert
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:11 am Post subject: |
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Phalbert wrote:
Probably just stored in Fukushima vicinity.[/quote]
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alex_d
Joined: 19 Jan 2019 Posts: 377
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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alex_d wrote:
fujinon 55 2.2 lens is famous its radiation and its harming radiation effect to the people.
lens was sold in huge numbers in Asia due to its affordable price and decent quality.
Many photographers in Asia saw it as a great value for money, making it an extremely popular choice.
A lot of females who were in contact with lens and later gave birth, had to cope with the phenomenon of 'siamese twins' syndrome. |
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visualopsins
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:53 am Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
alex_d wrote: |
fujinon 55 2.2 lens is famous its radiation and its harming radiation effect to the people.
lens was sold in huge numbers in Asia due to its affordable price and decent quality.
Many photographers in Asia saw it as a great value for money, making it an extremely popular choice.
A lot of females who were in contact with lens and later gave birth, had to cope with the phenomenon of 'siamese twins' syndrome. |
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caspert79
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:44 am Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
alex_d wrote: |
fujinon 55 2.2 lens is famous its radiation and its harming radiation effect to the people.
lens was sold in huge numbers in Asia due to its affordable price and decent quality.
Many photographers in Asia saw it as a great value for money, making it an extremely popular choice.
A lot of females who were in contact with lens and later gave birth, had to cope with the phenomenon of 'siamese twins' syndrome. |
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RokkorDoctor
Joined: 27 Nov 2021 Posts: 1405 Location: Kent, UK
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:46 am Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
alex_d wrote: |
fujinon 55 2.2 lens is famous its radiation and its harming radiation effect to the people.
lens was sold in huge numbers in Asia due to its affordable price and decent quality.
Many photographers in Asia saw it as a great value for money, making it an extremely popular choice.
A lot of females who were in contact with lens and later gave birth, had to cope with the phenomenon of 'siamese twins' syndrome. |
The problem of stochastic behaviour.
Since on-one is actually going to set up a controlled experiment where people are exposed to radiation of a radioactive lens in typical use, with a control group, and making sure all other environmental parameters are constant, we will never know.
So we are left with anecdotal reports, with far too many other potential environmental factors involved. _________________ Mark
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alex_d
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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alex_d wrote:
for the one who didnt know: fuji was japanese secret service thing, and 'fujifilm' was just outside cover of that intel.
but the cover got better than the main thing (book).
and yes they did a lot of bad .. baaaadd... veeeryy baaaddd .. things |
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D1N0
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
Have you been chatting with GTP again?
_________________ pentaxian |
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alex_d
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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alex_d wrote:
@d1no well, one more proof that GPT is a fools gold: here is a yashica J series RF sold as a Fuji(ca) RF |
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pimpy1
Joined: 13 Nov 2019 Posts: 20 Location: United States
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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pimpy1 wrote:
This thread turned ever so slightly off topic. |
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: Fuji Fujinon 55mm f2.2 Lens Radioactive |
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55 wrote:
pimpy1 wrote: |
I did not know that some of the Fujinon 55mm f2.2 Lenses are Radioactive. Has anyone tested the optical quality differences in the three different versions?
Video showing that the slightly newer version has Thorium. https://youtu.be/0AyXktR5qWI |
No, I own just a single version. I enjoy using my M42 copy, but my experience has been different from that of the author of the linked video.
Regarding the video, at 1:09 the author states the M42 versions are "well made". In my opinion, these Fujinons are among the cheapest feeling lenses I've owned. The plastic trim ring above the focus ring is prone to cracking and breaking.
And at 7:27, there's a reference to the author's radioactive copy having a 5xxxxx serial number. I've measured my #575858 copy with a Geiger counter and it isn't radioactive.
Here it is:
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RokkorDoctor
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:11 am Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
Slightly OT, but I am surprised at the number of people who have, or imply they have, a geiger counter at home.
Did I overlook some major event that made so many go out and buy one?
I mean, as far as I understand it they are not cheap devices that you buy and just put in the back of a cupboard until one day you have a need for it; I thought they need regular recalibration to make low readings meaningful... _________________ Mark
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Ricoh GX100
Minolta majority of all Rokkor SR/AR/MC/MD models made
Sigma 14mm/3.5 for SR mount
Tamron SP 60B 300mm/2.8 (Adaptall)
Samyang T-S 24mm/3.5 (Nikon mount, DIY converted to SR mount)
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Lloydy
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
RokkorDoctor wrote: |
Slightly OT, but I am surprised at the number of people who have, or imply they have, a geiger counter at home.
Did I overlook some major event that made so many go out and buy one?
I mean, as far as I understand it they are not cheap devices that you buy and just put in the back of a cupboard until one day you have a need for it; I thought they need regular recalibration to make low readings meaningful... |
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RokkorDoctor
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
RokkorDoctor wrote: |
Slightly OT, but I am surprised at the number of people who have, or imply they have, a geiger counter at home.
Did I overlook some major event that made so many go out and buy one?
I mean, as far as I understand it they are not cheap devices that you buy and just put in the back of a cupboard until one day you have a need for it; I thought they need regular recalibration to make low readings meaningful... |
£15 on Amazon, would I trust it? |
I've seen those; from what I understood is that those are OK for detecting average levels of alpha and beta radiation, but completely unreliable when it comes to measuring near-background level gamma radiation, if they have that facility at all. _________________ Mark
SONY A7S, A7RII + dust-sealed modded Novoflex/Fotodiox/Rayqual MD-NEX adapters
Minolta SR-1, SRT-101/303, XD7/XD11, XGM, X700
Bronica SQAi
Ricoh GX100
Minolta majority of all Rokkor SR/AR/MC/MD models made
Sigma 14mm/3.5 for SR mount
Tamron SP 60B 300mm/2.8 (Adaptall)
Samyang T-S 24mm/3.5 (Nikon mount, DIY converted to SR mount)
Schneider-Kreuznach PC-Super-Angulon 28mm/2.8 (SR mount)
Bronica PS 35/40/50/65/80/110/135/150/180/200/250mm |
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calvin83
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
I would like to have one that is insensitive to beta but sensitive to gamma and X ray only. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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alex_d
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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alex_d wrote:
calvin83 wrote: |
I would like to have one that is insensitive to beta but sensitive to gamma and X ray only. |
i have an example for you sir, rare as a hens teeth & a tomioka lens ..
that will be 2,495.0 euro sir .. _________________ for sale: smc super takumar 135/2.5 M42, Yash ML 50/1/4, Yash DS-M 50/1.4 M42, Yash ML 21/3.5, Yash auto 50/2.8, Mir-1 37/2.5 (new!), Jupiter-9 M42+M39(new!), Jupiter-11 135, FD 100/2.8, Konishiroku Konica 100/2.8, Fujinon T 100/2.8(M42/XF), Minolta PF 58/1.4 + 1.7, Meyer O.G. 100/2.8, Meyer O.G. 50/1.8, Meyer O.G. Lydith 30/3.5, Meyer O.G. Domi 50/2.8 ... and many more |
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calvin83
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
alex_d wrote: |
calvin83 wrote: |
I would like to have one that is insensitive to beta but sensitive to gamma and X ray only. |
i have an example for you sir, rare as a hens teeth & a tomioka lens ..
that will be 2,495.0 euro sir .. |
_________________ https://lensfever.com/
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alex_d
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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alex_d wrote:
calvin83 wrote: |
alex_d wrote: |
calvin83 wrote: |
I would like to have one that is insensitive to beta but sensitive to gamma and X ray only. |
i have an example for you sir, rare as a hens teeth & a tomioka lens ..
that will be 2,495.0 euro sir .. |
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sure, but wait ..!!! thats not all - at all !!
if you buy another one in (a)x-fuji mount, you will get 2 lenses almost free!! only 4.449,0 eiro !! it's a steal killa deal _________________ for sale: smc super takumar 135/2.5 M42, Yash ML 50/1/4, Yash DS-M 50/1.4 M42, Yash ML 21/3.5, Yash auto 50/2.8, Mir-1 37/2.5 (new!), Jupiter-9 M42+M39(new!), Jupiter-11 135, FD 100/2.8, Konishiroku Konica 100/2.8, Fujinon T 100/2.8(M42/XF), Minolta PF 58/1.4 + 1.7, Meyer O.G. 100/2.8, Meyer O.G. 50/1.8, Meyer O.G. Lydith 30/3.5, Meyer O.G. Domi 50/2.8 ... and many more |
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