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alexgb
Joined: 15 Aug 2022 Posts: 3 Location: France
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:45 pm Post subject: Recommended 300mm |
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alexgb wrote:
Hi !
I have a Nikon Z6 and soon a Z50. I already have some goods AF lenses like Nikon Z50mm f/1.8, Viltrox 35mm & 85mm f/1.8. I 've ordered MF Pergear 12mm F/2 and a fisheye 7.5mm f/2.8.
I don't have long focal lenses, i don't use really need it. But i'm curious and i want to try some manuals. So, why not buying and try some shots like : The moon, Some birds, cats with tele-lenses.......
I thought a 300mm lens will be perfect, added with a 2x converter for moon photography.
I want a lens as sharp as possible, and a minimum distance focus (for cat's eyes). Tiny Budget too. I'm in France, so there are some brands difficult to find.
My short list :
- Tamron 300mm f/5.6 (i find one for 55€)
- Tamron 60-300mm f/3,8-5.4 (find one for 45€)
- Canon 300mm f/5.6 FD (find one for 60€)
In your opinion, which one will be sharpest ?
Thanks for your help |
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Ultrapix
Joined: 06 Jan 2012 Posts: 566 Location: Italy
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Recommended 300mm |
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Ultrapix wrote:
alexgb wrote: |
Hi !
I have a Nikon Z6 and soon a Z50. I already have some goods AF lenses like Nikon Z50mm f/1.8, Viltrox 35mm & 85mm f/1.8. I 've ordered MF Pergear 12mm F/2 and a fisheye 7.5mm f/2.8.
I don't have long focal lenses, i don't use really need it. But i'm curious and i want to try some manuals. So, why not buying and try some shots like : The moon, Some birds, cats with tele-lenses.......
I thought a 300mm lens will be perfect, added with a 2x converter for moon photography.
I want a lens as sharp as possible, and a minimum distance focus (for cat's eyes). Tiny Budget too. I'm in France, so there are some brands difficult to find.
My short list :
- Tamron 300mm f/5.6 (i find one for 55€)
- Tamron 60-300mm f/3,8-5.4 (find one for 45€)
- Canon 300mm f/5.6 FD (find one for 60€)
In your opinion, which one will be sharpest ?
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I have the first of your list, not bad, but not exceptional, I'd give a try to the Canon
http://forum.mflenses.com/tamron-54b-15-6-300-mm-sp-in-an-early-fall-afternoon-t82067,highlight,%2Btamron+%2Bsp+%2B300.html |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10956 Location: California
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Tamron 60-300mm f/3,8-5.4 is plenty sharp, not heavy, but big.
How about a Tamron SP 500/8 mirror lens? -- sharp and plenty of reach for the moon, close focusing, lightweight. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2530
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
Beware there a 2 300mm F5.6 Adaptall lenses the 54B SP adaptall 2 and the CT-300 adaptall (1) You want the 54B. _________________ pentaxian |
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eggplant
Joined: 27 May 2020 Posts: 517
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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eggplant wrote:
I've heard the Canon's CA control is good, better than other 300mm lenses of the class (incl. the ones you describe). _________________ UK |
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alexgb
Joined: 15 Aug 2022 Posts: 3 Location: France
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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alexgb wrote:
Thnaks for yours answers.
@Ultrapix OK, So you rather recommand Canon
@visualopsins Ok for 60-300mm. Mirror lens : Is this really sharp ? As sharp as contenders ?
@D1N0 OMG !! You're right. The one i found is not 54B !!! :
@eggplant Ok, so one additional vote for Canon
So short short list is :
- Canon FD 300mm f/5.6
- Tamron 60-300mm |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10956 Location: California
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
alexgb wrote: |
Thnaks for yours answers.
@Ultrapix OK, So you rather recommand Canon
@visualopsins Ok for 60-300mm. Mirror lens : Is this really sharp ? As sharp as contenders ?
@D1N0 OMG !! You're right. The one i found is not 54B !!! :
@eggplant Ok, so one additional vote for Canon
So short short list is :
- Canon FD 300mm f/5.6
- Tamron 60-300mm |
Considered among sharpest 500/8 mirror lenses. Also more compact and closer focusing than others. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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Ultrapix
Joined: 06 Jan 2012 Posts: 566 Location: Italy
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Ultrapix wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
alexgb wrote: |
Thnaks for yours answers.
@Ultrapix OK, So you rather recommand Canon
@visualopsins Ok for 60-300mm. Mirror lens : Is this really sharp ? As sharp as contenders ?
@D1N0 OMG !! You're right. The one i found is not 54B !!! :
@eggplant Ok, so one additional vote for Canon
So short short list is :
- Canon FD 300mm f/5.6
- Tamron 60-300mm |
Considered among sharpest 500/8 mirror lenses. Also more compact and closer focusing than others. |
I have the 500/8 too, I like its rendering, but I wouldn't call a versatile tool, since (#1) the peculiar bokeh and (#2) a handling and focus not very comfortable for my taste |
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sergun
Joined: 01 Jun 2017 Posts: 289 Location: наша раша
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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sergun wrote:
Canon nfd 300/4 L or non L. The second one, by the way, is also very good for your money. _________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/105161078@N06/
https://fotoload.ru/fotosets/6661/ |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 3132 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
Mamiya C 300mm f/5.6 for 645.
Sharp, well corrected, fairly lightweight and affordable. |
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marcusBMG
Joined: 07 Dec 2012 Posts: 1312 Location: Conwy N Wales
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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marcusBMG wrote:
There are three (3) adaptall 300mm f5.6's. Two have been mentioned, the 3rd is the earliest one, ?T300, adapted directly from the adaptamatic predecessor. It is larger and weightier than the later CT300 and 54B, but has the advantage of a built in tripod mount.
Reviews:
T300:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/tamron-adaptall-bbar-multi-c-auto-tamron-156-f300mm.html
CT300:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/tamron-adaptall-300mm-f-5-6-ct-300.html
54B
https://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/tamron-adaptall-2-300mm-f-5-6-54b.html
23A:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/tamron-adaptall-2-sp-60-300mm-f-3-8-5-4-23a.html
I have had good images from all 3, but would prefer the T300 and 54B. They all show some fringing, and are better stopped down to f8 or f11. I have had similar results from 54B and from 23A 60-300mm, however I should mention that in truth 23A is really 60-29xmm approx. The versatility and consistent quality of 23A always recommends it (macro to 1:1.5! ).
One more useful point: 23A, CT300, 54B can be fitted with one of the cheap made in china 65/66mm tripod mount rings normally described as for canon 70-200mm f4, with a bit of packing or modification see here.
In a similar ballpark iq wise, or maybe even a bit better, is the well regarded tokina 100-300mm f4, but less common and tends to be price to match.
My sense of the canon FD 300mm f5.6 is that it is a good 300mm, perhaps even one of the best, I recall a thread remarking that it was really well corrected. But from what @stevemark has posted, it is the nikon ED non IF 300mm f4.5 that is the exceptional vintage performer. I am also impressed with the pics from a mamiya-sekor 300mm here.
This forum isn't so easy to search but there are a number of informative threads like this one:
http://forum.mflenses.com/300mm-lens-comparison-leitz-minolta-pentax-t76838,highlight,%2B300mm.html _________________ pentax ME super (retired)
Pentax K3-ii; pentax K-S2; Samsung NX 20; Lumix G1 + adapters;
Adaptall collection (proliferating!) inc 200-500mm 31A, 300mm f2.8, 400mm f4.
Primes: takumar 55mm; smc 28mm, 50mm; kino/komine 28mm f2's, helios 58mm, Tamron Nestar 400mm, novoflex 400mm, Vivitar 135mm close focus, 105mm macro; Jupiter 11A; CZJ 135mm.
A classic zoom or two: VS1 (komine), Kiron Zoomlock...
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 3132 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
Here are some sample images I took with the Mamiya:
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=83780 |
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eggplant
Joined: 27 May 2020 Posts: 517
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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eggplant wrote:
caspert79 wrote: |
Mamiya C 300mm f/5.6 for 645.
Sharp, well corrected, fairly lightweight and affordable. |
Yes completely forgot about this one- well corrected for CA, probably better than the Canon, and seemingly cheaper. _________________ UK |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10956 Location: California
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Bought one of these the other day: https://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-K-300mm-F4-Lens.html
Soon I'll be comparing it with Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 300/4 https://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/S-M-C-Super-Takumar-300mm-F4.html , Tele-Takumar 300/6.3 https://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/Tele-Takumar-300mm-F6.3.html , and Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 6x7 300mm f/4 https://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-Takumar-6x7-300mm-F4-Lens.html . A quick casual trial indicates it and the 6x7 lens seem best, next Tele-Tak, then S-M-C.
It has 7 elements in 5 groups; the other lenses have 5/5. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2530
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
alexgb wrote: |
Thnaks for yours answers.
@D1N0 OMG !! You're right. The one i found is not 54B !!! :
So short short list is :
- Canon FD 300mm f/5.6
- Tamron 60-300mm |
That's not even an adaptall but an adapt-a-matic an earlier interchangeable mount system by Tamron, not compatible with adaptall. _________________ pentaxian |
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alexgb
Joined: 15 Aug 2022 Posts: 3 Location: France
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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alexgb wrote:
@marcusBMG Many thanks for your help.
OK for Tamron.
I have found a Tokina 100-300mm f4 at 90€...
Ok for Nikon ED non IF 300mm f4.5 but it is so diffuclt to find !!!
I have found a Mamiya 300mm CS300 F/4.5 at good price but seller does'nt want to ship, and he's at 2 hours by car
@caspert79 Mamiya 300mm f5.6 is a little over budget
@sergun way over budget for me
@Ultrapix Thanks for your feedback.
@visualopsins I don't really like mirror lenses - I will watch with interest your comparison.
So i have find another lens that can match my search :
Nikkor 50-300mmm f/4.5 ! Wow that's a beast !!! I read some very good reviews, some says that it is sharper than primes....
I have found one on good state, with some little dust in, but over all in good shape for 70€
I have found too, a Nikkor H 300mm f4.5 pre Ai for 50€
I don't mind about weight, but i want the sharpest lens with minimum map not too long. So which one to buy :
- Nikkor 50-300mmm f/4.5 (70€)
- Nikkor H 300mm f4.5 pre Ai (50€)
- Tokina 100-300mm f4 (90E)
- Canon 300mm FD f5.6 (60€)
- Tamron 60-300mm f3,8-5.4 (45€) |
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Doc Sharptail
Joined: 23 Nov 2020 Posts: 1161 Location: Winnipeg Canada
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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Doc Sharptail wrote:
The 300 nikkor "H" can be a good lens, provided it's a clean sample.
I like the simple compact tripod two way plate on it. The tripod head can always take care of the final movements, which is okay with me.
Watch for fungus with these.
Sweet spot on mine is (of course) f5.6-f8.
It seems to focus well on the D-810.
It shines from about 60 to 200 feet in distance.
It is an easier lens for me to focus than the 300mm f 4.5 A/I.
I need to work with mine more on a tripod.
Edit:
It's physical dimensions and weight make it a special purpose lens.
This one is an excellent candidate for a tube case, which makes things a lot easier.
-D.S. _________________
D-810, F2, FTN.
35mm f2 O.C. nikkor
50 f2 H nikkor, 50 f 1.4 AI-s, 135 f3.5 Q,
50 f2 K nikkor 2x, 28-85mm f3.5-4.5 A/I-s, 35-105 3.5-4.5 A/I-s, 200mm f4 Micro A/I, partial list.
"Ain't no half-way" -S.R.V.
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 3132 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
alexgb wrote: |
@caspert79 Mamiya 300mm f5.6 is a little over budget
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I paid 89€ for mine on Ebay. Non-ULD version which is apparently the same as the ULD. |
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KEO
Joined: 27 Sep 2018 Posts: 772 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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KEO wrote:
Personally, I love my old MOG 300 Telemegor 4.5, but it's so heavy it's impractical to lug around.
The ED-IF 300 Nikkor 4.5 is a nice one though, and not too heavy especially if you remove the tripod collar. Just don't lose it. |
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D1N0
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D1N0 wrote:
The Tair 300mm phs 1:4.5 is optically very good but a total bitch to operate because it is so big and heavy. You really need a monopod for it. _________________ pentaxian |
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kiddo
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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kiddo wrote:
KEO wrote: |
Personally, I love my old MOG 300 Telemegor 4.5, but it's so heavy it's impractical to lug around.
The ED-IF 300 Nikkor 4.5 is a nice one though, and not too heavy especially if you remove the tripod collar. Just don't lose it. |
It's the only 300 I've got and I'm pretty happy with it also, wonder how would compare with the mamiya for landscapes and weight/size. |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3928 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
kiddo wrote: |
KEO wrote: |
Personally, I love my old MOG 300 Telemegor 4.5, but it's so heavy it's impractical to lug around.
The ED-IF 300 Nikkor 4.5 is a nice one though, and not too heavy especially if you remove the tripod collar. Just don't lose it. |
It's the only 300 I've got and I'm pretty happy with it also, wonder how would compare with the mamiya for landscapes and weight/size. |
The Nikkor IF-ED 4.5/300mm is larger and heavier (1015g) than the Mamiya Sekor C 5.6/300mm (730g), but it has its own tripod collar. The Mamiya has much less CAs than the IF-ED Nikkor (the rare "non-IF"4.5/300mm Nikkor is nearly as good as the Sekor C).
S _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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