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Puplet
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 Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: 20mm recommendations |
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Puplet wrote:
Looking for a 20mm (and can't afford the Olympus 21mm f2) - anyone have any experience with:
Arsat 20mm f2.8 (Mir 73N)
Mir 47N 20mm f2.5
CZJ Flektogon 20mm f2.8
Also, has anyone bought from www.rugift.com? |
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Attila
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Olympus 21mm f3.5 same good and lot cheaper.
From above list I take 20mm f2.8 Flektogon (I have one on sale)  not cheap..
Flektogon 4/20mm cheaper than 2.8 I have one also on sale.
I don't like Russians, Orio love them and he has much more knowladge about wide angle lenses than I have.
You can find samples with these lenses in mflenses.com/gallery
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peterqd
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: 20mm recommendations |
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peterqd wrote:
| Puplet wrote: |
Looking for a 20mm (and can't afford the Olympus 21mm f2) - anyone have any experience with:
Arsat 20mm f2.8 (Mir 73N)
Mir 47N 20mm f2.5
CZJ Flektogon 20mm f2.8
Also, has anyone bought from www.rugift.com? |
I'll put in a vote for the Flek. Even that most critical of lens reviewers, a certain Mr Lucis Pictor, said it was fantastic when he tried it. But don't take just my word, Bob's great pictures of the Isle of Skye in Gallery speak for themselves.
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Orio
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Orio wrote:
I say "Flek".
I have a preferance for the 4/20 because of the geometric precision, but I have seen great pics out of the 2.8 version, so I'd suggest that you take advantage of the fact that Attila is selling one - when he says the copy is good, it is a safe buy.
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Puplet
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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Puplet wrote:
Hmm, lots to think about - thanks for the advice everyone! I am in no hurry to buy so shall keep looking... |
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Hi Puplet
I have the 2/21 from zuiko. I have to say it really is all it is sung up to be. Now that being said. I bought mine on the cheap a super deal. For as often as it is used I can not justify the usual price. I also usually only shoot it at Exactly f8. Not that it is not sharp more open or even wide open. F2 is mostly important for focus convenience in this focal length for it's typical use. I also have the zuiko 3.5/21 for now anyway. It performs identical to the f2 version at infinity. As you get closer it starts to show some distortion. The flek 4/20 is probably the best value and option to these two. After experimenting with a viv/kiron and also the cosina model 20ish offerings. I would take the flek in a second. It has no distortion and super color. I love how it looks one of the groovy-est lenses you can use I love it. Good luck in your search.
Hey I said the L word twice in a sentence and a large multi-national camera company was not involved. get the ell out of here 
Ever notice how bad my sentences run on. Back to high school for old Andy Boy. 
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patrickh
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patrickh wrote:
Nikkor 20/4 has long been a favourite of mine
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M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
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estudleon
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:28 am Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
I like the flek 4/20.
I have some lenses, but actually I use only four, and one of this is the FLEK.
The tast is all in this cuestions. Very good luck.
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Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
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Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
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Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Richard_D
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:16 am Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
All the Nikkor 20mm's seem very good. I use the 20mm 2.8 AIS (sample shots in the member bit of the gallery).
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55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
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Attila
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:21 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I concur, Nikkors are very good!
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Bob
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Bob wrote:
I have used Rugift and had no difficulty. Less than two weeks for the lens to arrive here in Missouri.
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zewrak
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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zewrak wrote:
Anyone know how the Super Takumar 20mm f/4.5 perform? I heard that people was disappointed with the S-M-C Takumar and stayed with the Super Takumar because it was considered better. I am expecting one in the mail the upcoming days.
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emi007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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emi007 wrote:
Mir 20mm f2.5 is very good 
This is my mir 47k-mc 20/2.5
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Puplet
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Puplet wrote:
Thanks for these, Emi. I must admit, I am thinking alot about the Mir - I love all the Mir lenses I have, and I use fast apertures a lot too. The Flek f2.8 is far too expensive for me 
Thanks for the info on Rugfit, Bob! |
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timo832000
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Location: Germany / Cologne
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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timo832000 wrote:
Iam also searching for a 20mm MF lens that provides good quality Images.
I consider about the 4/20 Flektogon.
@ Attila: If yours is still for sale please drop me a PN. |
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Helios
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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Location: East of France
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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Helios wrote:
I'm satisfied with 2 lenses : Flek 2,8/20 and Mir-47 2,5/20 .
Mir-47 :
Flektogon 2,8/20 :
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zewrak
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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zewrak wrote:
Still no takers on the Super Tak 20mm? 
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Abbazz
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:14 am Post subject: |
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Abbazz wrote:
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| Still no takers on the Super Tak 20mm? |
I have the Super-Takumar 20/4.5. It's a nice lens, sharp with great colors but it exhibits a bit of distortion on full frame 24x36 cameras. It is very susceptible to flare so be sure to get the specific lens shade if you plan to acquire this lens, because the lens has a 58mm filter thread but using any 58mm filter or lens shade will cause vignetting on a full frame camera. The original lens shade has a 77mm thread and comes with a 58 to 77mm converter ring, which also serves as an adapter for 77mm filters.
Cheers!
Abbazz
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