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meanwhile
Joined: 29 May 2014 Posts: 225 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:02 pm Post subject: Any High Quality Mirror Lenses? |
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meanwhile wrote:
A compact long telephoto is something that I'd love to add to my kit at some point, but I'm wondering - did anyone nail a high quality mirror lens? I know physics is physics, but did anyone push the boundaries here? _________________ In my bag: Sony A7II - Olympus OM 21mm f/3.5 - Minolta M-Rokkor 40mm f/2.0 - Konica Hexanon 57mm f/1.2 AR - Olympus Zuiko OM 100mm f/2.8 - Pentax 135mm f/3.5 |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16627 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Leitz and Zeiss did with theirs for sure!!
Zeiss Mirotar, scroll to end (long file): http://www.marcocavina.com/articoli_fotografici/Zeiss_cute_DFR_DDR_lenses/00_pag_English.htm _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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pdccameras
Joined: 23 Aug 2009 Posts: 825 Location: Putnam, CT
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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pdccameras wrote:
I have had good luck with the 500mm f/8 Canon FD. Suffers from most of the deficits associated with mirror lenses, but nearly so much as the typical 3rd part brands. Sharpness, color and contrast are all adequate for me and the light weight more than makes up for the funky booked (which can be avoided if your photos are composed to accommodate. I will try to post samples soon.
Paul _________________ Canon 5D Mii, Canon 40D, Canon 350D IR, Sony A7 Mii, Sony Alpha-6000, a ton of lenses: AF & MF and too many cameras to count, all formats: 110 - 4x5. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I saw stunning pictures taken by Rolf with his Leitz, Mirrotar is very rare I don't remember perhaps any shoots. Rubinar MC 500mm f5.6 , Minolta MD 250mm f5.6 , Rubinar 300mm f4.5 , MTO 500mm f6.3 , Nikon , Minolta Canon , Tamron comes after in my list. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
+1 for the Rubinars! _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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meanwhile
Joined: 29 May 2014 Posts: 225 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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meanwhile wrote:
Hehe. I seem to have a knack of finding a need for the most expensive lenses available, even when I'm looking for among the cheap at of lenses, the mirror lens.
The Mirotar does sound like the best available, and the other that seems to stand out is the Olympus OM 500/8. Tiny, light, and (as per usual) one of the rarest Olympus lenses available ...
Was thinking f/8, the f/5.6 and above seem to negate the size advantage.
Reviews of the Rubinar f/8 seems like it doesn't compare to the f/5.6.
That 300mm f/4.5 looks just about right though. Any experiences? _________________ In my bag: Sony A7II - Olympus OM 21mm f/3.5 - Minolta M-Rokkor 40mm f/2.0 - Konica Hexanon 57mm f/1.2 AR - Olympus Zuiko OM 100mm f/2.8 - Pentax 135mm f/3.5 |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Rubinar 500mm f8 what I did try was a garbage, crap like noname mirror lenses. 300mm f4.5 is great lens , but hard to handle thin DOF on APS-C. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7555 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:35 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
For ~300mm, you may consider an AF zoom such as Tamron 70-300 VC. They are not much longer than a mirror when they are fulled retracted.
For 500mm, the Tamron 55BB is just slightly larger than the Olympus. Nikon and Minolta are good too. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
The best lens is the one you have with you. |
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WNG555
Joined: 18 Dec 2014 Posts: 784 Location: Arrid-Zone-A, USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:15 am Post subject: |
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WNG555 wrote:
The MTO/ZM 3M-5A 500mm f/8 Maksutov-Cassegrain is also an excellent mirror lens.
All the good mirror lenses will be pricey. But luck can get you one for cheap. _________________ "The eyes are useless when the mind is blind."
Sony ILCE-6000, SELP1650, SEL1855, SEL55210, SEL5018. Sigma 19/30/60mm f2.8 EX DN Art.
Rokinon 8mm f3.5 Fish-Eye, 14mm f2.8 IF ED UMC. Samyang 12mm f2.8 ED AS NCS Fish-Eye.
And a bunch of Manual-Focus Lenses
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
WNG555 wrote: |
The MTO/ZM 3M-5A 500mm f/8 Maksutov-Cassegrain is also an excellent mirror lens.
All the good mirror lenses will be pricey. But luck can get you one for cheap. |
+1 _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16627 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
None of those mentioned lenses will be able to reach the quality level of a Leitz or Zeiss miror lens, sorry _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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meanwhile
Joined: 29 May 2014 Posts: 225 Location: Australia
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Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:34 am Post subject: |
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meanwhile wrote:
Given the disadvantages (donuts, fixed aperture, contrast loss), and the high costs of getting a good one, I've decided on another path of action. Going to get my hands on a good condition Komura Leica 2x telemore, and chuck my 90mm Elmarit on it when needed.
Yes, definitely some quality loss, and turns the f/2.8 into an f/4 (or is it f/5.6?) but it's small, light, and gives me 180mm full frame, or 270mm if I put the A7II in crop mode, costs about one third as much, and about 20 times smaller than the smallest decent mirror lens. And I can keep donuts out of my diet! _________________ In my bag: Sony A7II - Olympus OM 21mm f/3.5 - Minolta M-Rokkor 40mm f/2.0 - Konica Hexanon 57mm f/1.2 AR - Olympus Zuiko OM 100mm f/2.8 - Pentax 135mm f/3.5 |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3930 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 12:08 am Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
I have only four mirror lenses:
1) Minolta Rokkor MD 500mm 1:8 RF
2) Reflex Nikkor 500mm 1:8 (1982 version, 840g, minimal focus distance 1.5m)
3) Sigma 600mm 1:8
4) Sigma 1000mm 1:8
The two Sigma lenses have quite a good contrast, but they are lacking details even in the center.
The Rokkor is definitely better, with lots of detail also in the corners. However, there's a problem with stray light (well explained in this article by Nikon: http://www.nikkor.com/story/0013/). It looks a bit like vignetting; the center of the image is brighter and has a lower contrast.
The Nikkor 500mm in its newest version (!) is the best of the lenses mentioned above. Lots of detail (similar to the Rokkor, maybe a little bit better), and no stray light problems. In addition, there's the close focus distance of 1.5m (compared to 4m on the Rokkor), and a less steep (more precise) focusing. The latter is very important since one always shoots "wide open".
For practical reasons (not because of resolution / sharpness!) i consider the Nikkor to be the easiest to use on digital system cameras. I would not use them on DSLRs; for slow mirror lenses (f8, f11, or even slower) the EVF of the A7-Series is better than the OVF of any DSLR.
Stephan _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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Antoine
Joined: 08 Jan 2016 Posts: 298 Location: London
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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Antoine wrote:
And what do you think about lenses such as Tamron, Soligor, Danubia, Paragon,... 300 mm f 5.6? Any good ref image quality? _________________ Antoine
Sony A6000 APS-C and Sony A7 Rii
Minolta Fisheye MD Rokkor 7.5 mm f4, Fisheye MD 16 f2.8 MD R 17mm f4, MD R 20mm f2.8, MC VFC & MDIII 24mm f2.8, MD 28mm f2.0 &3.5, MD II 35mm 1.8, MD 45mm f2.0, MD 50mm f 1.2 & MD I f1.4, MC PG 58mm 1.2, MD 85mm f2.0, MD R 85mm f2.8 Varisoft, MC 85mm f1.7 MD R 100mm f2.5, MD R 100mm f4.0 macro, MD III 135mm f2.8, MD R 200mm f2.8 & 4.0, RF 250mm f5.6, MD 300mm f4.5, MD APO 400 mm f5.6, RF 500mm f8.0, RF 800mm f8.0 *2 300-s and 300-l
100 mm f4 macro bellows (5/4)
Vivitar 17mm f3.5, Elicar 300mm mirror f5.6, Zhongi turbo ii
Sigma 16mm f 2.8 fish eye
Zooms:24-50 mm f4, 35-70 mm f3.5 macro, 28-85mm f3.5-4.5, 50-135 f 3.5, 70-210 f4 and MD APO 100-500 mm f8 |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7555 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Antoine wrote: |
And what do you think about lenses such as Tamron, Soligor, Danubia, Paragon,... 300 mm f 5.6? Any good ref image quality? |
The Tamron 350mm will be the best and it is also the biggest and the most expensive. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
The best lens is the one you have with you. |
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Abbazz
Joined: 23 Jun 2007 Posts: 1098 Location: Jakarta
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Abbazz wrote:
When used on a Sony A7 (with the help of an LA-EA4 adapter), the Minolta AF Reflex 500/8 (or the newer Sony version of the same lens) has the interesting particularity of offering autofocus (it's the only autofocus mirror lens covering 24x36). I know we are on MFLenses but on a 500mm lens, autofocus can also be useful... And the optical formula is the same as the old Minolta RF Rokkor 500/8 mirror lens, which had such an acceptable optical quality that it was rebranded by Leitz fas the Leica RF 500/8 for the Leica-R system. With the A7II, you will also benefit from the built-in stabilization, which is very helpful with a 500mm lens having a max aperture of F/8!
Cheers!
Abbazz _________________ Il n'y a rien dans le monde qui n'ait son moment decisif, et le chef-d'oeuvre de la bonne conduite est de connaitre et de prendre ce moment. - Cardinal de Retz
The 6x9 Photography Online Resource:
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16627 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Nothing beats the ones made by ZEISS or LEITZ But thats a very different league. _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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Abbazz
Joined: 23 Jun 2007 Posts: 1098 Location: Jakarta
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:20 am Post subject: |
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Abbazz wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
Nothing beats the ones made by ZEISS or LEITZ But thats a very different league. |
Sure Klaus. But sometimes you get better results from an average lens with autofocus and image stabilization than from a super-duper sharp lens lacking these modern features, especially when chasing birds with a 500mm lens handheld at F/8!
Cheers!
Abbazz _________________ Il n'y a rien dans le monde qui n'ait son moment decisif, et le chef-d'oeuvre de la bonne conduite est de connaitre et de prendre ce moment. - Cardinal de Retz
The 6x9 Photography Online Resource:
http://artbig.com/ |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7555 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:53 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Abbazz wrote: |
kds315* wrote: |
Nothing beats the ones made by ZEISS or LEITZ But thats a very different league. |
Sure Klaus. But sometimes you get better results from an average lens with autofocus and image stabilization than from a super-duper sharp lens lacking these modern features, especially when chasing birds with a 500mm lens handheld at F/8!
Cheers!
Abbazz |
I hope one day Sony will made an adapter with build-in motor but no mirror for the A7 series. This will enable the AF points on camera which will be more effective when chasing birds. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
The best lens is the one you have with you. |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7787 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:23 am Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I have three mirror lenses, The best is without doubt the AF Minolta 500 / 8, then a Canon FD 500 / 8 which sadly has some fungus but still delivers sharp pictures. And a Tamron 500 / 8 which is the one I use most. It's sharp, maybe when pixel peeping at test charts the Tamron isn't as sharp as the other two? but it's plenty sharp. The reason I go to the Tamron is it's easier to use, it's smaller and has a nice long throw on the focus ring, which is a big problem on cheaper mirror lenses. The short throw makes focusing difficult. My Minolta being AF has a very short throw for manual focusing, and that's the only reason I rarely use it. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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danfromm
Joined: 04 Sep 2011 Posts: 585
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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danfromm wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
None of those mentioned lenses will be able to reach the quality level of a Leitz or Zeiss miror lens, sorry |
Funny, I thought that Leitz mirror lenses were rebadged Minoltas.
Questar 700/8, anyone? |
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TrueLoveOne
Joined: 30 Sep 2012 Posts: 1839 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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TrueLoveOne wrote:
I'm quite happy with my RF Rokkor 5.6/250. It would be nice to have a 500 as well, sometimes i see Tokina 8/500 mirrorlenses for reasonable money, are they any good? Not been mentioned in this thread..... maybe a bad sign....
cheers, René! _________________ My Flickr photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/chantalrene/
Sony A7, Canon 5D mkII, Minolta 7D + RD3000 and some more.....
Minolta and Konica collector.... slowly selling all the other stuff! |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
danfromm wrote: |
kds315* wrote: |
None of those mentioned lenses will be able to reach the quality level of a Leitz or Zeiss miror lens, sorry |
Funny, I thought that Leitz mirror lenses were rebadged Minoltas. |
Indeed, RF 500/8 is a rebadged Minolta lens sold also by Leitz. However, the Telyt-S 800/6.3 was built by Leitz and was also available in SR (Minolta MC/MD) mount.
I don't know whether the Minolta mirror lenses RF 250/5.6, RF 800/8, RF 1000/6.3 and RF 1600/11 have been available for Leica as well. They are quite rare btw.
Maybe a Leitz expert knows more about. _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
TrueLoveOne wrote: |
I'm quite happy with my RF Rokkor 5.6/250. It would be nice to have a 500 as well, sometimes i see Tokina 8/500 mirrorlenses for reasonable money, are they any good? Not been mentioned in this thread..... maybe a bad sign....
cheers, René! |
From my experience the Tokina 800/8 is not able to match the quality of the Minolta RF 500/8 (a friend of mine used to have the Tokina lens and we compared the results with my Minolta sibling). So I would rather recommend the Minolta lens. In terms of sharpness it's certainly one of the best mirror lenses ever built and good enough for Leitz as well. _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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Rolf
Joined: 02 May 2009 Posts: 4123 Location: NRW/Germany
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Rolf wrote:
May be I'm a liitle bit late with my post.
The 500mm is my favorite focal length. During the last 10-15 years I tried out several types and manufacturer.
Within a used price segment - let say below 500 to 600 Euro - the best one (and I still own and use it) is the Leice R mirror lens (Minolta style), then the Olympus and the Tamron. With Russian lenses (MTO) can can get problems depending cam prism (too large for the MTO's) so you have to check before a purchase.
Regardless of all the manufacturers you need a steady hand and / or a higher ISO value. That is the "price" for going lightweight with a 500mm lens. If you need a tripod better use a classic lens with glass.
http://forum.mflenses.com/leitz-leica-mr-telyt-r-f8-500mm-portrait-shots-t27758,highlight,%2B500mm.html
http://forum.mflenses.com/leitz-mr-telyt-r-8-500-leica-r-t37958,highlight,%2Btelyt.html
_________________ Rolf
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