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 Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: Carl Zeiss Tessar 2.8/50 M42 Oberkochen (Stuttgart?) |
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Orio wrote:
I just received this lens:
A bit of paint removed from the aperture scale numbers, but other wise in mint condition.
The whereabouts of this series is a bit obscure for me. The finish is the same of the Contarex/Contaflex line of lenses. This means of course to me that the lens is West Germany. The mount however is M42 and except for the very early Contax S, which was produced before Germany was split into East and West, I am not aware of any other Zeiss Oberkochen or Stuttgart camera made with M42 mount. Any other information is welcome.
I still have to try it (super rain again here), but I'd like to say that, aesthetically speaking, I find this one to be amongst my most elegant lenses. I enjoy a lot the original Zeiss Ikon lens cap - which by the way has an unusual bayonet mount.
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Orio wrote:
I have to add that I find the two "handles" incredibly comfortable for adjusting the (continuous type) aperture without taking the eye away from the viewfinder.
I really wonder why so few, if any, other manufacturers have adopted this approach.
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Congrats! Looks you get a rare gem!
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Orio wrote:
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| Congrats! Looks you get a rare gem! |
Maybe, who knows?
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Orio wrote:
OK, my Zeiss book offered the history.
This lens is part of a line of M42 lenses made for the Icarex TM, a shortlived threadmount version of the Icarex camera that was produced between 1969 and 1971 (the year when the Zeiss Ikon company of Stuttgart was terminated).
So the lens must have been built in Oberkochen for the Stuttgart camera.
The finish is much logically the Contarex finish, because at the time the Contarex was produced.
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themoleman342 wrote:
Here a litle information on the Icarex line along with the lenses available in that particular finish: http://anusf.anu.edu.au/~aab900/photography/cameras/zeiss_icon.htm |
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LucisPictor wrote:
This indeed is a very interesting lens and one with that amazingly beautiful design! Congratulations!
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Orio wrote:
Thanks for the info 
As much as I find the lens beautiful, I find the Icarex quite ugly looking 
Strange matching 
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patrickh wrote:
Doesn't this lensporn really turn one on? Orio, it's beautiful and we cant wait to see how it performs (should be good).
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Orio
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
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Doesn't this lensporn really turn one on? Orio, it's beautiful and we cant wait to see how it performs (should be good).
patrickh |
Well, it was a budget lens in the Zeiss catalogue and so I was not expecting surprising results. In fact it seems to perform similar to other Tessar lenses from the Jena side, with one plus and one minus. The plus being that the West Zeiss coating is really effective and the lens shows a lot of contrast more than the Jena Tessars. The minus is that it does not seem to have that "magic" that the Jena 3.5/50 has - but I have come to the conclusion that the 3.5/50 is a one of a kind lens, because no other Tessar or Tessar clone that I have (and have several) has that magic.
Later I'll post some tests with the new lens. Being still sick, and overworked, it's the usual boring balcony/Melissa tests...
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| The minus is that it does not seem to have that "magic" that the Jena 3.5/50 has - but I have come to the conclusion that the 3.5/50 is a one of a kind lens, because no other Tessar or Tessar clone that I have (and have several) has that magic |
The 4.5/40 seems to have that "magic". This new one is really pretty looking. It looks similar in build to the ultron that has been fussed over so much lately.
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Katastrofo wrote:
Yes, I think I remember now...Icarex was warned by his father, Daedalex
not to fly too close to the sun with his waxed wings...
Orio, jealousy-squared! Do show some pics when you have a chance!
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Orio wrote:
I'm not sure. I need to use it (I mean the 40mm) more to make a more formed opinion. It is for sure the sharpest Tessar that I have, really Leica-sharp, but as far as the "3D magic" fingerprint of the 3.5/50, I'm not sure.
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Orio wrote:
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| Yes, I think I remember now...Icarex was warned by his father, Daedalex |
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estudleon wrote:
Both lens (tessar and ulttron) was made by the Oberkochen zeiss, and both are zeiss design too. The mayority of the Ikarex's lenses are based on voigtlader designs. This two exceptions- The tessar and the ultron- are zeiss design. The tessar replaced, in the screw Icarex line, to the voigtlander's design skopar 2,8/50 MM, and the ultron modified with his 7 elements and the curved front, to the voigtlander's septon 2/50 mm with 7 elements too (excelent rendition) with schame similar to the planar 80 for hasselblad.
All good lenses, endeed. But the planar 1,7/50 of C/Y don't have the curved front element. And the planar of the high price contarex (the line A in Icarex time) didn't have it
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Orio wrote:
Here's some boring samples.
My partial observations:
- looks sharper wide open than Jena Tessar 2.8/50 (this is probably due to the better coating and subsequent higher contrast)
- the highlights in the wide open bokeh displays a very pronounced, horrible doughnut effect
- the small number of blades sabotages the stopped down bokeh highlights also
- when there are no highlights, the bokeh feels pleasantly "organic" with good digradation
- close up the lens performs very well (it can focus down to 40mm approx.), sharp and contrasted
- overall the contrast is very good (visibly better than Jena Tessars')
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maddog10 wrote:
Man, what got into Melissa in her 3rd shot
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Attila wrote:
Look eyes! I always amazed eyes of cats.
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patrickh wrote:
Orio
Melissa is never boring - what a character. And this looks like a very fine lens with most of the attributes one looks for. Contrast seems remarkably high under those lighting conditions
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Katastrofo wrote:
Aw, gee, look at these, I just knew it would be a sh*t-hot lens!
The evil Dr. Orio Francesco Diablo scores again!
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Brian wrote:
That lens is beautiful. Photo's are sharp. I suspect people will be sifting through Ebay looking for one! |
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Orio wrote:
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| Man, what got into Melissa in her 3rd shot |
looks a bit demoniac, eh?
In reality she was just yawning
See, how can a photograph tell the false sometimes?
Anyway she looks really scary!
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" I said, GET BACK! I am really going to jump this time"
I am still laughing.
It does look to be a fine lens.
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estudleon wrote:
How can you live with the internal bayonet and external screw for filters?
It's great,no?
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Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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