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j.lukow
Joined: 03 Oct 2007 Posts: 858 Location: Lindsay Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:12 am Post subject: Options for macro . . . |
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j.lukow wrote:
Several zoom lens I have are marked Telephoto Macros, but still I'm not totally happy with them, when I try for an extreme closeup.
When I first arrived I asked abot Achromatic lenses - screw on close up - and have note time and time again how tricky they are for DOF.
I've seen mention in other posts about extension tubes, so a couple questions . . .
1- Are they better for dealing with DOF?
2- Their purpose is also to shorten the focussing distance Y/N?
3- Do they work with any focal length?
I know there are also reversal rings as well.
Thanks in advance,
Jim _________________ EMPLOYMENT: That which funded photography and my new woodworking business.j.lukow
Jim's Kit:
Minolta Kit: Minolta X570 & Autowinder G, Minolta SRT200
LENSES:Minolta - 45mm & 50mm F1:2, PF 58mm F1:1.4, Tamron 28mm f1:2.5, Tamron SP 35-80mm f1:2.8/3.8 & CF TeleMacro zoom 80-210 f1:3.8, Vivitar f3.0~4.5 35-200mm macro focusing zoom, f 2.8 28mm CF Wide angle, 2x macro focus teleconverter,Sigma F4 25-250, f 2.8~4 35-70mm zoom master,Tokina SD f4-5.6 70-210 zoom, f4.5 80-200 "Ultra" Zoom,AutoImage 135mm F1:2.8, Spiratone 400mm f1:6.3, Magicon f3.5-4.8 35-70mm macro zoom,Quantary f8-500 Mirror/macro lens, Accura MD mount Macro bellows
M42 Kit:Praktica PLC2,Yashica TL Electro X
LENSES:Meyer Goerlitz Oreston 50mm f1:1.8 , Auto Yashinon DX 1:1.7 50mm,Steinheil Munchen Culminar 135mm f4.5, Adaptall-2 M42 adapter
Zeiss . . . Zeiss Contaflex 126 system, Zeiss Contaflex Super
Medium Format: Pentacon sixTL
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padiej
Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 244 Location: AUSTRIA - Burgenland
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: |
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padiej wrote:
Hallo Jim!
I have this extention rings, and this rings are working with all focus lengths, but 50mm is standard, I know.
Another method is using a lens reverse, with an adapter (or a "balgengerät").
A good macro is the pentax m 100/4.
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
Hi Jim,
1) No
2) Yes
3) Yes
What do you mean by extreme closeup ?
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maddog10
Joined: 08 Apr 2008 Posts: 1072 Location: Maryland, USA
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:05 am Post subject: |
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maddog10 wrote:
Jim,
Extension tubes will allow you to close focus and will work with any lens that attach's to them. You will have shallow DOF and sometimes this is VERY shallow indeed.
I have used them with plenty of lenses, including Micro-Nikkor lenses with varying results.
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
An excellent macro lens is the Volna-9 2.8/50 which is much cheaper than most of the other "real" macro lenses and at least as good.
Esp. with macro shots AF is not important, so it makes hardly any sense to invest in the more expensive AF solutions.
The Volna-9 comes in M42, so you can get additional extension rings for almost no money on *bay, just in case you want to get really close. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Abbazz
Joined: 23 Jun 2007 Posts: 1098 Location: Jakarta
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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Abbazz wrote:
LucisPictor wrote: |
An excellent macro lens is the Volna-9 2.8/50 which is much cheaper than most of the other "real" macro lenses and at least as good. |
Seconded. I just would like to add that the Volna-9 is a classic Tessar formula lens, and we all know how good can be good Tessar lenses...
Cheers!
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Macro can be achieved in several ways:
1) Specially designed lenses - look for those that give 1:1 without additional devices.
2) Extension tubes - you can mount any focal length lens on them and achieve macro
3) Bellows - as above but variable length and sometimes tilt and shift too.
4) Reversed lens - requires purpose built adapter, but can produce stunning results
Macro can only be done with manual focus, despite what the producers say, so go for MF lenses. I have not tried it personally, but I have seen results from enlarging lenses on extension rings or bellows that are spectacular, and enlarging lenses are going very cheaply now (most have M42 threads). The Volna-9 is an excellent way to try your hand without investing too much. A good macro lens can command significant dollars.
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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j.lukow
Joined: 03 Oct 2007 Posts: 858 Location: Lindsay Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:24 am Post subject: |
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j.lukow wrote:
Thanks for the influx of advice, I'll try to help focus things a bit . . .
@poilu
By extreme closeup, I mean getting a shot of a bumblebee cramming its body down a Wiegela bloom and the shot filling my camera's viewfinder.
I've been loving the detail and structure of the plants in the garden - occasionally you can catch a small ghost-like spider prowling between the petals.
@patrickh
You mention about the adapters that I think are termed reversing rings, are you speaking from your own experience?
@ everyone . . .
AF/digital aren't issues, as I'm a film shooting MF 35mm camera guy
The biggest hassle I run into is the very shallow DOF I get while using the closeup lens. If a bloom is a 4 cm diameter "sphere"/hemisphere then parts will be blurred. _________________ EMPLOYMENT: That which funded photography and my new woodworking business.j.lukow
Jim's Kit:
Minolta Kit: Minolta X570 & Autowinder G, Minolta SRT200
LENSES:Minolta - 45mm & 50mm F1:2, PF 58mm F1:1.4, Tamron 28mm f1:2.5, Tamron SP 35-80mm f1:2.8/3.8 & CF TeleMacro zoom 80-210 f1:3.8, Vivitar f3.0~4.5 35-200mm macro focusing zoom, f 2.8 28mm CF Wide angle, 2x macro focus teleconverter,Sigma F4 25-250, f 2.8~4 35-70mm zoom master,Tokina SD f4-5.6 70-210 zoom, f4.5 80-200 "Ultra" Zoom,AutoImage 135mm F1:2.8, Spiratone 400mm f1:6.3, Magicon f3.5-4.8 35-70mm macro zoom,Quantary f8-500 Mirror/macro lens, Accura MD mount Macro bellows
M42 Kit:Praktica PLC2,Yashica TL Electro X
LENSES:Meyer Goerlitz Oreston 50mm f1:1.8 , Auto Yashinon DX 1:1.7 50mm,Steinheil Munchen Culminar 135mm f4.5, Adaptall-2 M42 adapter
Zeiss . . . Zeiss Contaflex 126 system, Zeiss Contaflex Super
Medium Format: Pentacon sixTL
Hasselblad 500c/m - CZ 2.8-80mm planar, CZ 4-150mm sonnarCF |
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A G Photography
Joined: 11 May 2008 Posts: 1480 Location: Bologna - Italy
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:40 am Post subject: |
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A G Photography wrote:
The only solution I know about the DOF problem is shooting with a tilt lens, or a tilting bellow (Nikon made one, the PB6 maybe, not sure about the code), or a large format camera. _________________ Alessandro
My Photography Website
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SLR: Chinon CX, Fujica ST605n, Nikon f601, Pentacon FM, Pentax Spotmatic SPII, Praktica FX, Praktica FX2, Voigtlander VST1, Yashica FX-3, Zeiss Contaflex
RF: Altissa Altix, Zorki Ie, Kiev 4b
Medium Format: Pentacon Six TL, Zeiss Ikonta 520/2, Mockba 4, Voigtlander Bessa I, Agfa Isolette II, Agfa Isola
Large Format: Cambo SC 4x5, Rodenstock Sinaron 150/5.6, Rodenstock Rodagon 150/5.6, Schneider Kreuznach Symmar 180/5.6
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Nikkors: 28/3.5 AIS, 35/2, 50/1.8, 50/2 H, Micro 55/3.5, Micro 60/2.8, 85/1.8, 135/3.5 AI, 200/4 NAI, 18-55/3.5-5.6, 28-80/3.5-5.6, 55-200/4-5.6
CY: Distagon 28/2.8, Planar 50/1.4, Yashika 50/1.7, Sonnar 135/2.8
CZJ m42-Exakta: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Tessar 40/4.5, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Pancolar 50/2, Biotar 58/2, Biotar 75/1.5, Tessar 80/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 135/4, Triotar 135/4
CZJ P6: Flektogon 50/4, Flektogon 65/2.8, Biometar 80/2.8, Biometar 120/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer-Pentacon: Orestegon 29/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Lydith 30/3.5, Primagon 35/4.5, Helioplan 40/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Primotar 50/3.5, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Orestor 100/2.8, Trioplan 100/2.8, Helioplan 135/4.5, Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5, Primotar 180/3.5, Telemegor 180/5.5, Orestegor 200/4, Pentacon 200/4, Orestegor 300/4, Telemegor 300/4.5, Telemegor 400/5.5
Schneider-Kreuznach: Curtagon 28/4, Curtagon 35/2.8, Xenon 50/1.9, Xenar 50/2.8, Tele Xenar 135/3.5, Tele Xenar 200/4
Russians: Arsat Zodiak 30/3.5, Mir-I 37/2.8, Volna-9 50/2.8, Industar-50 50/3.5, Industar-61 50/2.8, Helios 44 58/2, Helios 44-2 58/2, Helios 44-M-4 58/2, Volna-3 80/2.8, Helios 40 85/1.5, Jupiter 9 85/2, Jupiter 11 135/4
Others: Chinon-Tomioka 55/1.4, Helios 28/2.8, Isco Iscotar 50/2.8, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Schacht Travegon 35/3.5, Schacht Travenon 135/4.5, Sekor 55/1.8, Sigma MF 28/2.8, S-Takumar, 28/3.5, S-Takumar 50/1.4, S-Takumar 55/1.8, S-Takumar 55/2, Steinheil Quinar 135/2.8, Steinheil Culminar 135/4.5, Vivitar 135/2.8, Voigtlander Ultron 50/1.8, Yashica Yashinon DX 50/1.4, Zuiko MC Auto-W 28/2.8
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:59 am Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Alessandro is correct about tilting. I also forgot to mention the addon lenses that you originally mentioned. The Canon is often mentioned with respect. I have no personal experience of reversing lenses - I just use bellows, rings and macro lenses.
DOF is mainly a physical properties issue and one of the constant balancing acts is speed vs aperture only in macro it is critical. So - lighting is very important. So is a tripod. Also for this reason you will find most macro lenses are slow - you simply cannot use anything wider than 5.6 as a rule of thumb (and yes I know everyone has great shots at 2..
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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dickb
Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Posts: 821
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:44 am Post subject: |
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dickb wrote:
A G Photography wrote: |
The only solution I know about the DOF problem is shooting with a tilt lens, or a tilting bellow (Nikon made one, the PB6 maybe, not sure about the code), or a large format camera. |
Nikon's tilting bellows is the PB-4. Contax also has a tilting bellows, as does Minolta (the auto-bellows III I'm offering in the marketplace section). All these bellows only have a swinging front standard, which means you get side-to-side tilt with the bellows in a normal position and you need to flip the bellows on its side to get front-to-back tilt.
I use all kinds of methods for macro (micro) photography, bellows, extension rings, achromatic close up lenses, lenses reversed in front of telephoto lenses, reversed lenses and many macro lenses.
There are several things to consider, such as ease of use, working distance, magnification range, loss of light and cost of course.
When you add extension, either through bellows or extension rings, you lose light. The amount of extension needed for a certain magnification depends on the focal length of the lens you're using. The rule of thumb is that if you want 1:1 magnification, you need to add as many mm extension as the focal length of the lens, so 50mm extension for a 50mm lens. Longer telephoto lenses will give you more working distance (useful for scared or scary critters), but you will need more extension. For an example of one of my experiments, check the last post in this thread:
http://forum.mflenses.com/my-latest-frankenstein-lens-experiment-t6964.html
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j.lukow
Joined: 03 Oct 2007 Posts: 858 Location: Lindsay Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 4:32 am Post subject: |
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j.lukow wrote:
This is what I'm running into with just a (Minolta XG70) with Tamron CF TeleMacro zoom 80-210 f1:3.8 . . . For focus I need to work on my DOF
These are anemones - aka Grecian Windflowers . . .
Jim _________________ EMPLOYMENT: That which funded photography and my new woodworking business.j.lukow
Jim's Kit:
Minolta Kit: Minolta X570 & Autowinder G, Minolta SRT200
LENSES:Minolta - 45mm & 50mm F1:2, PF 58mm F1:1.4, Tamron 28mm f1:2.5, Tamron SP 35-80mm f1:2.8/3.8 & CF TeleMacro zoom 80-210 f1:3.8, Vivitar f3.0~4.5 35-200mm macro focusing zoom, f 2.8 28mm CF Wide angle, 2x macro focus teleconverter,Sigma F4 25-250, f 2.8~4 35-70mm zoom master,Tokina SD f4-5.6 70-210 zoom, f4.5 80-200 "Ultra" Zoom,AutoImage 135mm F1:2.8, Spiratone 400mm f1:6.3, Magicon f3.5-4.8 35-70mm macro zoom,Quantary f8-500 Mirror/macro lens, Accura MD mount Macro bellows
M42 Kit:Praktica PLC2,Yashica TL Electro X
LENSES:Meyer Goerlitz Oreston 50mm f1:1.8 , Auto Yashinon DX 1:1.7 50mm,Steinheil Munchen Culminar 135mm f4.5, Adaptall-2 M42 adapter
Zeiss . . . Zeiss Contaflex 126 system, Zeiss Contaflex Super
Medium Format: Pentacon sixTL
Hasselblad 500c/m - CZ 2.8-80mm planar, CZ 4-150mm sonnarCF |
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zewrak
Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 1212
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 7:16 am Post subject: |
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zewrak wrote:
How about a lensbaby on the bellows for tilting? _________________ My homepage, all manual shots |
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A G Photography
Joined: 11 May 2008 Posts: 1480 Location: Bologna - Italy
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: |
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A G Photography wrote:
zewrak wrote: |
How about a lensbaby on the bellows for tilting? |
If you love chromatic aberrations everywhere it could be a good choice _________________ Alessandro
My Photography Website
My Blog about Photography and Italian Cuisine
My Photostream on Flickr
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DSLR: Nikon d80, Olympus e410
SLR: Chinon CX, Fujica ST605n, Nikon f601, Pentacon FM, Pentax Spotmatic SPII, Praktica FX, Praktica FX2, Voigtlander VST1, Yashica FX-3, Zeiss Contaflex
RF: Altissa Altix, Zorki Ie, Kiev 4b
Medium Format: Pentacon Six TL, Zeiss Ikonta 520/2, Mockba 4, Voigtlander Bessa I, Agfa Isolette II, Agfa Isola
Large Format: Cambo SC 4x5, Rodenstock Sinaron 150/5.6, Rodenstock Rodagon 150/5.6, Schneider Kreuznach Symmar 180/5.6
Lenses
Nikkors: 28/3.5 AIS, 35/2, 50/1.8, 50/2 H, Micro 55/3.5, Micro 60/2.8, 85/1.8, 135/3.5 AI, 200/4 NAI, 18-55/3.5-5.6, 28-80/3.5-5.6, 55-200/4-5.6
CY: Distagon 28/2.8, Planar 50/1.4, Yashika 50/1.7, Sonnar 135/2.8
CZJ m42-Exakta: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Tessar 40/4.5, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Pancolar 50/2, Biotar 58/2, Biotar 75/1.5, Tessar 80/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 135/4, Triotar 135/4
CZJ P6: Flektogon 50/4, Flektogon 65/2.8, Biometar 80/2.8, Biometar 120/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer-Pentacon: Orestegon 29/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Lydith 30/3.5, Primagon 35/4.5, Helioplan 40/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Primotar 50/3.5, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Orestor 100/2.8, Trioplan 100/2.8, Helioplan 135/4.5, Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5, Primotar 180/3.5, Telemegor 180/5.5, Orestegor 200/4, Pentacon 200/4, Orestegor 300/4, Telemegor 300/4.5, Telemegor 400/5.5
Schneider-Kreuznach: Curtagon 28/4, Curtagon 35/2.8, Xenon 50/1.9, Xenar 50/2.8, Tele Xenar 135/3.5, Tele Xenar 200/4
Russians: Arsat Zodiak 30/3.5, Mir-I 37/2.8, Volna-9 50/2.8, Industar-50 50/3.5, Industar-61 50/2.8, Helios 44 58/2, Helios 44-2 58/2, Helios 44-M-4 58/2, Volna-3 80/2.8, Helios 40 85/1.5, Jupiter 9 85/2, Jupiter 11 135/4
Others: Chinon-Tomioka 55/1.4, Helios 28/2.8, Isco Iscotar 50/2.8, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Schacht Travegon 35/3.5, Schacht Travenon 135/4.5, Sekor 55/1.8, Sigma MF 28/2.8, S-Takumar, 28/3.5, S-Takumar 50/1.4, S-Takumar 55/1.8, S-Takumar 55/2, Steinheil Quinar 135/2.8, Steinheil Culminar 135/4.5, Vivitar 135/2.8, Voigtlander Ultron 50/1.8, Yashica Yashinon DX 50/1.4, Zuiko MC Auto-W 28/2.8
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zewrak
Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 1212
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zewrak wrote:
A G Photography wrote: |
zewrak wrote: |
How about a lensbaby on the bellows for tilting? |
If you love chromatic aberrations everywhere it could be a good choice |
. I'll stick to photography of blue abstract stuff. _________________ My homepage, all manual shots |
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zewrak
Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 1212
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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zewrak wrote:
Got my bellows (as seen in "Score" thread).
This is my first tries. Handheld on a 6-8mm fly. No masterpieces, but I am happy for being the first try ever with extensions of any kind.
http://flickr.com/photos/zewrak/ for larger images.
Its great fun. But a bit hard to get used to zooming by moving the whole packet back and forth . Used a Helios 44-2 on the bellows. I'll try with the Chinonflex 100mm instead later on I think. Was well hard to use it that close. _________________ My homepage, all manual shots |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Attila wrote:
Nice one! I really wish to get time to myself to do same. Congrats! _________________ -------------------------------
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Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
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poilu wrote:
congrats zewrak! top quality result from the first try and at 1/15s _________________ T* |
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maddog10
Joined: 08 Apr 2008 Posts: 1072 Location: Maryland, USA
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maddog10 wrote:
Don't you just love the HUGE DOF! _________________ Michael Hill |
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zewrak
Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 1212
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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zewrak wrote:
maddog10 wrote: |
Don't you just love the HUGE DOF! |
Suppose I should get a 32 aperture lens :p I got one somewhere i think _________________ My homepage, all manual shots |
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
You know. It is not cheating to make your own aperture. How does f64 sound? _________________ Moderator |
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Himself
Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 3242 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Himself wrote:
Here is the true one
http://www.vividlight.com/articles/2914.htm
I know, I know, but it's a manual one. |
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Rob Leslie
Joined: 20 Mar 2007 Posts: 1103 Location: UK Swindon
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: Options for macro . . . |
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Rob Leslie wrote:
j.lukow wrote: |
Several zoom lens I have are marked Telephoto Macros, but still I'm not totally happy with them, when I try for an extreme closeup.
When I first arrived I asked abot Achromatic lenses - screw on close up - and have note time and time again how tricky they are for DOF.
I've seen mention in other posts about extension tubes, so a couple questions . . .
1- Are they better for dealing with DOF?
2- Their purpose is also to shorten the focussing distance Y/N?
3- Do they work with any focal length?
I know there are also reversal rings as well.
Thanks in advance,
Jim |
I use all and everything. I have had good results from Vivitar close up lenses I bought for next to nothing. I use them on Lens baby and on my Zenitar 16mm.
For most ‘Macro’ I prefer extension tubes and often reverse a lens.
One of the reasons I have never bought or wanted a dedicated ‘Macro. Lens is because I want to use different lenses for macro and close ups. I would consider myself to be ‘In a rut’ if I only used one lens for a particular type of photography.
I have just posted some macro test shots from the Tamron SP 60-300mm. I did these today and I also shot some with Lens Baby to show what that can do with close up/ macro.
DOF can't be changed by FL.
DOF is controlled by shooting distance (This would also include recording format ie a 50mm lens on a x2 crop sensor would have a greater subject to camera distance than the same size image on FF 35mm)
Aperture. The smaller the aperture the greater the DOF However with smaller recording medium one is limited to how far you can stop down before seing a serious loss of quality. On a 1.5 crop DSLR quality will begin to drop at smaller apertures than f11/16 _________________ Pentax K10D & K100D. Many Tamron Adaptall SP lenses, Fujinon f4.5 400mm. A loved Lens Baby 2, Lubitel triplet +++ and many film cameras. Mainly a Digital user inc G5, GR2
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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peterqd wrote:
I haven't tried the Volna-9, that's one for the future. But for the present I use the Flek 2.4/35 for close-up work. The magnification factor isn't as high of course, but it will focus on something almost touching the front element. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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estudleon wrote:
I love my leica bellow 2 (Idon't see better than this).
With the lens, without attachment i like the Steinheil macro-quinar 2,8/100, focus to 1:1,3 with double focussing mechanism, one to 1:1 and the second - nearest the front of the lens- to 1:1,3. And the sharp and contrast : The best of the best. Only four elements, (sonnar design) no flare with single coated. Great!!!!
With the bellow, I like rodenstocks or schneiders makro lenses with adap. and don´'t go to smaller aperture than F/22 or, better, 32. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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