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etorix
Joined: 05 Oct 2014 Posts: 209 Location: London, England
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 8:04 pm Post subject: Nikkor-P 105mm f/2.5 |
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etorix wrote:
Right .. ive never had one of these, the legendary 105mm 2.5, any vintage, any type, none of em
but now this thread is intended to attract one to me automagically |
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Ray Parkhurst
Joined: 04 Jul 2011 Posts: 504 Location: Santa Clara, CA, USA
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Ray Parkhurst wrote:
My personal favorite is the P.C. version, which is a late F mount with multicoating. I had a factory-AI'd one years ago but needed to sell it, and finally found a nice replacement recently after a year of searching. One of my favorite lenses of all time.
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Common, not expensive, well known so easy to resell.
Buy one and try it, resell if it doesn't suit you.
Buying one is more like a rental with a deposit, for this class of lens.
Buy it at a reasonable price and you will get your money back.
I've had three or four over the years and still have one.
Not being a Nikon guy I don't really have a reason to hold on to it but what the heck. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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etorix
Joined: 05 Oct 2014 Posts: 209 Location: London, England
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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etorix wrote:
i'm actually looking at the rangefinder versions too ..
but first i may go for an affordable one in reasonable nick, but with nasty scratches on the front element .. good condition otherwise
which i'm fairly sure should work ok with the india ink trick .. |
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rudolfkremers
Joined: 10 Jun 2014 Posts: 723 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:11 am Post subject: |
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rudolfkremers wrote:
I have this lens and its stunning. I actually used it a lot for portraits. (I can't show them here a they are of my children, and we keep their photos private)
I think I may have posted other stuff with this lens in the past though...
Ah yes:
Here
and
Here
Some samples:
_________________ https://www.rudolfkremers.com
https://www.flickr.com/photos/rudolfkremers/
https://www.facebook.com/rudolf.kremers
https://www.omni-labs.com |
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etorix
Joined: 05 Oct 2014 Posts: 209 Location: London, England
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Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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etorix wrote:
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I think I may have posted other stuff with this lens in the past though...
Ah yes:
Here
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Here |
excellent! thanks for posting!
nice to see B+W also .. |
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araucaria
Joined: 16 Jan 2014 Posts: 63
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Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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araucaria wrote:
The lens is a classic and you can't go wrong with any of the versions. |
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etorix
Joined: 05 Oct 2014 Posts: 209 Location: London, England
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Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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etorix wrote:
aargh, got sniped last minute on a silvernose
irritating
but nevermind, theres a lot of these about |
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clockwork247
Joined: 23 Dec 2010 Posts: 79
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:56 am Post subject: |
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clockwork247 wrote:
etorix wrote: |
aargh, got sniped last minute on a silvernose
irritating
but nevermind, theres a lot of these about |
there are tons of these. but they are actually kindda expensive IMO. the 105 1.8 doesn't get as much love as this one. |
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Ray Parkhurst
Joined: 04 Jul 2011 Posts: 504 Location: Santa Clara, CA, USA
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:53 am Post subject: |
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Ray Parkhurst wrote:
clockwork247 wrote: |
etorix wrote: |
aargh, got sniped last minute on a silvernose
irritating
but nevermind, theres a lot of these about |
there are tons of these. but they are actually kindda expensive IMO. the 105 1.8 doesn't get as much love as this one. |
There are indeed lots but it's surprisingly hard to find a good one (no scratches, haze, separation, fungus). Took me a year and I bought and returned quite a few... |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:56 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
On US eBay at least there are lots of the old non-AI going for under $100
Just have to look a bit I think. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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uhoh7
Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 1300 Location: Idaho, USA
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:30 am Post subject: |
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uhoh7 wrote:
RF and pre-1970 versions are a totally different lens and a the RF is lot more expensive:
DSC00169 by unoh7, on Flickr
"The same formula (1953 10.5cm f/2.5) has been replicated to the F-mount version until another Nikon optical designer, SHIMIZU, Yoshiyuki revised the design for the version that was appeared in the early '70. The original 105/2.5 has a Gauss design following the Carl Zeiss Sonnar optical principle (5E/3G). The revised model in '70 was using slightly different German's Schneider Xenotar (5E/4G) optical formula."
" How this Nikkor-P telephoto lens evolved itself from here:- Both the Nikkor-P 105/2.5 and Nikkor-T 105/4.0 telephoto lenses had been replicated into F-mount version for the Nikon F/Nikkormat SLRs between 1959/1960. In 1970, the Nikkor-P was started to use a new scallop focusing ring design. The version appeared in 1973 was the work of Mr. SHIMIZU, Yoshiyuki where the traditional 5E/3G was first changed to a new formula of 5E/4G formation. The Pre-Ai version in 1975 with the same revised optical design has use a new hard-rubberised covering. The Ai version of the same lens was introduced in 1977 which was followed by the Ai-S 105/2.5 model in 1981."
from MIR
For pure performance, if mount is OK for you, I would choose the AIS verison. This lens is still pretty cheap since many many were made.
Ken Rockwell claims the 105/1.8 is sharper, it may be true.
Most valuable of all 105/2.5 would be a LTM version in good shape. That would go easily for 500USD or more.
I have both a Nikon and Contax mount 10.5CM RF version. I should use them more, but they are really heavy, and the external mount is a real pain.
VERY sexy though LOL
DSC05920 by unoh7, on Flickr _________________ Making MFlenses safe for the letter *L* |
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uhoh7
Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 1300 Location: Idaho, USA
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:03 am Post subject: |
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uhoh7 wrote:
Here's the contax mount WO
a7r_nikkor_105mm_RF by unoh7, on Flickr
and around f/8:
DSC01984 by unoh7, on Flickr
on A7r _________________ Making MFlenses safe for the letter *L* |
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etorix
Joined: 05 Oct 2014 Posts: 209 Location: London, England
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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etorix wrote:
WO .. Contax mount 10.5CM RF version .. thats obscure for sure
seems works well too, from the sample shots |
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uhoh7
Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 1300 Location: Idaho, USA
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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uhoh7 wrote:
etorix wrote: |
WO .. Contax mount 10.5CM RF version .. thats obscure for sure
seems works well too, from the sample shots |
As u probably know, the Nkon RF was a direct copy of the Contax, which in 1950 was the best rangefinder system in the world. But they messed up and while the wides will bolt right on and work fine even today, 50 and up were not interchangeable.
So just as Nikon made every lens in LTM, they also made every lens in contax mount, which is engraved "C" including quotations. I also have a nikkor 13.5cm f/3.5 in Contax mount, which David Douglas Duncan shot many of his most famous images with in the Korean War.
DSC05933 by unoh7, on Flickr
they are for this:
DSC00189-1 by unoh7, on Flickr _________________ Making MFlenses safe for the letter *L* |
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etorix
Joined: 05 Oct 2014 Posts: 209 Location: London, England
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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etorix wrote:
cool. nice to see .. |
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Ray Parkhurst
Joined: 04 Jul 2011 Posts: 504 Location: Santa Clara, CA, USA
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:16 am Post subject: |
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Ray Parkhurst wrote:
uhoh7 wrote: |
... I also have a nikkor 13.5cm f/3.5 in Contax mount, which David Douglas Duncan shot many of his most famous images with in the Korean War.... |
I love the idea of giving new life to historic lenses. Having a lens with such a provenance is super cool. |
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etorix
Joined: 05 Oct 2014 Posts: 209 Location: London, England
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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etorix wrote:
hmm .. when i was looking at available 105s a few months ago there were several RF models that i both 'liked' and could afford
not so atm, not sure why
i was kinda concerned to get one with 'character' or so, i was also seriously looking at an example with nasty scratches to the front element
which could usefully be filled with Indian Ink .. metal-focussing-ring but all-black, worth a punt at the price
today i'm seriously looking at one in Japan, rubber focussing-ring, dates to late 70s near as i can see, i kinda 'like' it
and its actually not that much more to buy than the scratched-up one
good caps
front seems ok
as does rear .. not a lot of wear
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Ray Parkhurst
Joined: 04 Jul 2011 Posts: 504 Location: Santa Clara, CA, USA
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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Ray Parkhurst wrote:
Kind of looks like a bit of fungus or separation on the edges of rear elements? |
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etorix
Joined: 05 Oct 2014 Posts: 209 Location: London, England
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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etorix wrote:
hmm .. not according to sellers' dsecription
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Optical conditions
Not scratch the surface of the lens
Coating clean.
No fungus, no haze
There is a slight dust |
so if it turns up with 'a slight fungus' it can go straight back
quite a long way tho |
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Ray Parkhurst
Joined: 04 Jul 2011 Posts: 504 Location: Santa Clara, CA, USA
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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Ray Parkhurst wrote:
etorix wrote: |
hmm .. not according to sellers' dsecription
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Optical conditions
Not scratch the surface of the lens
Coating clean.
No fungus, no haze
There is a slight dust |
so if it turns up with 'a slight fungus' it can go straight back
quite a long way tho |
Fungus and separation were my bane when trying to find a good copy of this lens. I sent back "several" that were also described in glowing terms. Most sellers will take a cursory look at the surfaces of the lens and proclaim the lens perfect. But shining a penlight through the lens reveals all the problems, and back it goes... |
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etorix
Joined: 05 Oct 2014 Posts: 209 Location: London, England
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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etorix wrote:
hmm .. the seller is a fairly hi-end shop in Osaka, Japan
i'm not paying top price, as they go, i imagine this is for a reason
quite what that reason is exactly should become apparent after it arrives
me i just hope it has the good sharp
my next lens-target after this will prolly be a Micro-Nikkor 105mm 2.8
dunno tho, i just watched a Nikkor 20mm 3.5 auction .. wondering how it would work/perform on M43
tho actually the Lumix 20mm would be neater |
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uhoh7
Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 1300 Location: Idaho, USA
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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uhoh7 wrote:
such a lens, perfect, should easily be found for 130USD _________________ Making MFlenses safe for the letter *L* |
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etorix
Joined: 05 Oct 2014 Posts: 209 Location: London, England
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 12:21 am Post subject: |
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etorix wrote:
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Sold for:
US $120.00 |
+ shipping
+ Ransom [Customs/VAT@20%] |
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Ray Parkhurst
Joined: 04 Jul 2011 Posts: 504 Location: Santa Clara, CA, USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:11 am Post subject: |
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Ray Parkhurst wrote:
etorix wrote: |
hmm .. the seller is a fairly hi-end shop in Osaka, Japan
i'm not paying top price, as they go, i imagine this is for a reason
quite what that reason is exactly should become apparent after it arrives
me i just hope it has the good sharp
my next lens-target after this will prolly be a Micro-Nikkor 105mm 2.8
dunno tho, i just watched a Nikkor 20mm 3.5 auction .. wondering how it would work/perform on M43
tho actually the Lumix 20mm would be neater |
I have both 105/2.8 and 105/4 and I would personally recommend the 105/4. The 105/2.8 needs to be stopped down to f6.5 for best results anyway so that extra glass makes no good use. Get a PN-11 to go with the 105/4 and you're set to go. |
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