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Oldhand
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 Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 12:01 pm Post subject: Sears 2.8/28 M42 |
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Oldhand wrote:
There is a fairly strong body of evidence to suggest that many of the PK mount lenses bearing the Sears name were actually made by Ricoh and are Rikenons in disguise.
I am puzzled about the M42 varieties though.
Here is a 2.8/28 bearing the Sears label.
Is it also an earlier Rikenon or is there some other maker represented here.
Your thoughts, as always, are valued.
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iangreenhalgh1
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
That is a Rikenon, here it is in Ricoh guise:
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luisalegria
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Early Ricoh lenses were mostly Tokinas.
Sears got the whole series from Ricoh along with the TLS bodies.
This lens is one of them. Early Tokina auto same as the T4 version.
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Oldhand
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
Thank you Ian and Luis.
Much appreciated
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mo
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
How does it handle? When I first got into buying old lenses,the M42 Auto Rikenons were at the top of my list. Grab the 1.7/50 if you can a very nice lens,good colours.
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Oldhand
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
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| How does it handle? When I first got into buying old lenses,the M42 Auto Rikenons were at the top of my list. Grab the 1.7/50 if you can a very nice lens,good colours. |
Ahh, I don't have it .......... yet.
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mo
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
Well when you do,I hope the sun is shining ready for some test photos.
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CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
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Gardener
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Gardener wrote:
I've always thought these are Tomioka. My problem with Rikenon origin is that you can find the same lens branded as Mamiya/Sekor. |
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
If you want a 28mm in M42, the best one imho is the Mamiya/Sekor SX 2.8/28, it has 8 elements. Second best is probably the Takumar 3.5/28. The later, smaller Tokina RMC 2.8.28 is a good lens so this early Tokina should be at least okay.
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hifisapi
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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hifisapi wrote:
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| If you want a 28mm in M42, the best one imho is the Mamiya/Sekor SX 2.8/28, it has 8 elements. Second best is probably the Takumar 3.5/28. The later, smaller Tokina RMC 2.8.28 is a good lens so this early Tokina should be at least okay. |
there are two problems using mamiya/sekor SX lenses with adapters. First is they don't have an auto/manual aperture switch, second is they have a funky flange on the lens mount that interferes with some adapters
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luisalegria
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luisalegria wrote:
Most of the early Mamiya Sekor M42 SLR lenses are also the first generation auto Tokinas.
Literally identical to the equivalent Soligor, Vivitar, Rikenon, etc., under the skin. Several other camera makers relabelled these too, Petri, Yashica, and sometimes Miranda, and probably others I'm not recalling at the moment.
And one Mamiya at least, the 400/6.3, is a preset Tokina.
Not all of the Mamiya lenses of course - the 50-55mms and the famous 60mm macro aren't.
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luisalegria
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Oddly enough I have a Sears-Sekor 28/2.8 with the Mamiya SX pin, and also lacks the M/A switch that other feature of the SX lenses, that doesn't have the annoying flange.
Is it one of the fancy 8-element jobs?
I guess I would have to do surgery to find out.
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kenetik
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kenetik wrote:
Do you have this one coming OH or is it just on your wish list? Want to see some shots. I got my first Rikenon lens recently. I love these old lenses with Sears, Jc Penney and Montgomery Ward branding. Are there Sears stores down under?
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Oldhand
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 7:06 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
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| Do you have this one coming OH or is it just on your wish list? Want to see some shots. I got my first Rikenon lens recently. I love these old lenses with Sears, Jc Penney and Montgomery Ward branding. Are there Sears stores down under? |
It is on the way - should be here in a week or two.
Nope - no Sears down heresaway.
This one is coming from Elko, Minnesota
Interestingly, I also am a woodworker and I have a block plane made by Stanley but bearing the Montgomery Ward label - "Wards Master"
A very fine plane.
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Oldhand
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 5:01 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
OK - it arrived today.
Here 'tis:
It is quite satisfactory:
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kenetik
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kenetik wrote:
Gorgeous set. Regardless of who made the lens, it's a winner OH!
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Oldhand
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
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| Gorgeous set. Regardless of who made the lens, it's a winner OH! |
Gratias.
The considered opinion is that this is a Rikenon.
Not important, but helps with the ancestry - it is nice to know where all our little ones come from 
Definitely a keeper - I must see how it handles landscapes. If it turns out as good as my son's old Tamron (Tokina) I'll be happy
http://forum.mflenses.com/auto-tamron-2-8-28-t66101,highlight,%2Btamron.html
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Oldhand
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Oldhand wrote:
Just had a closer look at image three from today's set.
Here is a 100% crop from that picture.
Not too shabby.
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Oldhand
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Oldhand wrote:
OK these images are nothing special - just therapy for my 'flu ridden body and an excuse to get outside into the garden.
I think I'll have a nap now
OH
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Yahvel
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:56 am Post subject: |
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Yahvel wrote:
is it true that MAMIYA made these lenses ? |
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Oldhand
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Oldhand wrote:
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| is it true that MAMIYA made these lenses ? |
Rikenon I think - not Mamiya.
A couple wide open with "didn't quite nail the focus" 
Of course there is distortion so don't use a 28mm this close for portraits - but a bit of fun anyway.
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Minolfan wrote:
Sunny and funny, nice to see how the wheather can be; we have lots of grey in this weeks.
Happy girls in good colors, I like it. |
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Pancolart wrote:
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Early Ricoh lenses were mostly Tokinas.
Sears got the whole series from Ricoh along with the TLS bodies.
This lens is one of them. Early Tokina auto same as the T4 version. |
So appraised MAMIYA Sekor Auto M42 is also the same Tokina lens. Please check photos on this link: http://aflenses.ru/id/31776
Funny though 24mm M42 Rikenon is SIGMA made.
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