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Mir
Joined: 07 Feb 2011 Posts: 979 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:51 pm Post subject: MF lenses going mainstream ! |
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Mir wrote:
I buy alot of photo magazines, mainly in french...
In July issue of Réponse Photo (No.268) magazine, there's a bit on MF lenses !
The man (Philippe Durand), first writes about adapters and then goes on to talk about using:
Helios 44-2 2/58 M42
Vega 12B 2.8/90 Salyut S
Compur No3 4.5/135 Bellows + hole in the camera body cap (!)
Minolta MC Rokkor PG 1.4/50
He finishes his article with two newer lenses:
Lomography New Petzval 2.2/85
Lensbaby Edge 80 2.8/80 +Composer Pro
I guess MF lenses are going mainstream !
Your thoughts... _________________ "Obsta principiis, finem respice"
"There is a fine line between hobby and mental illness"
MISC: Tamron SP 35-80 (01A), Auto Chinon Tomioka 1.4/55, Tokina AT-X 2.5/90, Tamron SP 5,6/300 (54B)
ZEISS: WG Distagon 2.8/25, WG Distagon 2.8/35 HFT, WG Planar HFT 1.4/50, Ultron 1.8/50, WG Sonnar 2.8/85, WG Sonnar HFT 2.8/135
VOIGTLÄNDER : Ultron Aspherical 1.8/21, Ultron 2/28, Nokton Aspherical 1.2/35, Nokton Classic 1.4/40, Nokton Aspherical 1.5/50, Color-Heliar 2.5/75
MINOLTA: MD 3.5/35-70 Macro, MD 1.2/50, MC Rokkor-X 1.2/58, MD Macro 3.5/50
LEITZ: SUMMICRON-R 2/35 (II), SUMMICRON-R 2/50 (II), TELE ELMARIT-M 2,8/90 (Thin)
CANON RF: 2.8/28, 2/35, 1.2/50, 1.4/50, Serenar 1.8/50, 2/85, 2/100, 3.5/100
LTM : FUJINON L 2/5cm, CHIYODA KOGAKU SUPER ROKKOR 1.8/5cm, CHIYOKO SUPER ROKKOR C 2/5cm, TOKYO KOGAKU Topcor-S 2/5cm, Nippon Kogaku NIKKOR-H.C 2/5cm, KMZ Jupiter-8 2/5cm
DKL : VOIGTLÄNDER SKOPAREX 3,4/35, SEPTON 2/50, DYNAREX 3,4/90, SUPER-DYNAREX 4/135, Scheiner-Kreuznach Retina-Xenon 1,9/50
And a small Minolta AF set: 2.8/20, 1.4/35, 1.4/50, 2/100, 4.5/100-200
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ZoneV
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 1632 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:49 am Post subject: |
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ZoneV wrote:
Yes, manual lenses are more and more popular in Germany too. The big magazins started some articles about manual lenses 4 years ago. One headline was ~"Phenomenal image quality - manual focus lenses are better than AF!"
And the newer Zeiss lenses are also very interessting for photographers who search for maximum quality - they get this with the Distagon 15mm and 21mm and the extreme good 55 and 135mm lenses. There even pure AF photographers think twice and buy sometimes the manual lens cause it is so much better.
All this results in higher prices at Ebay. And even on fleamarkets the sellers sometimes give the lenses a more prominent space. Not more a photo bag somewhere bellow the table. _________________ Camera modification, repair and DIY - some links to look through: http://www.4photos.de/camera-diy/index-en.html
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!Karen
Joined: 20 Jul 2013 Posts: 836 Location: Belgium Baby
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:00 am Post subject: |
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!Karen wrote:
There have been a couple of articles in magazines about the use of old mf lenses and adapters here in Belgium as well!
It's bad for prices lol hehe _________________ FLICKR PHOTOSTREAM |
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guardian
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 1746
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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guardian wrote:
!Karen wrote: |
There have been a couple of articles in magazines about the use of old mf lenses and adapters here in Belgium as well!
It's bad for prices lol hehe |
+1
But it's not funny, IMHO. Prices are too high. |
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norland
Joined: 10 Aug 2013 Posts: 165
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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norland wrote:
Some of the prices are now pretty crazy (not good how on ebay traders bundle "free" 2x or 3x tele-converters to entice prospective buyers, without telling them the snags) ... wonder how many purchasers are unpleasantly surprised to find that using the longer manual tele-lenses in British weather can require a bit more attention than just plug-and-play.
But it can also be strange what prospective lens buyers ignore ... got a Yashinon DX 200mm f4 very cheaply a couple of weeks ago,
perfect condition and a really good lens.
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kryss
Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Posts: 2169 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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kryss wrote:
Prices too high??? cheap is not good and good is not cheap, ask someone who owns a Bentley or Aston martin or Digital Hasselblad or the person who bought a photographic print for a million dollars recently.Value is a personal decision in the eye of the purchaser. _________________ Do not trust Atoms....they make up everything. |
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Mark
Joined: 01 Dec 2012 Posts: 251 Location: Budapest, Hungary
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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Mark wrote:
Some lenses, like the Biotar 75mm f1.5 go for insane prices; even more than modern, quality AF lenses. Demand for MF lenses seems to increase with popularity of mirrorless cameras. This naturally drives prices high, which makes getting quality MF glass more expensive. _________________ Latest post on my blog (no new posts):
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Certainly prices are higher than a few years back. But you must look at the alternatives too.
E.g. Minolta 50/1.4 may be £70 whilst an Olympus 45/1.8 is £160 used. Or a Pentacon 135/2.8 may be £60 whilst a Canon 135/2L is about 10x as expensive. There is still great value in MF lenses, it's just that the gap has narrowed
However, to say that MF lenses are sharper than AF lenses is a bit of a mad statement For some really high quality primes than that is certainly the case, but compare a Lumix 20/1.7 to a 19mm Vivitar and the Lumix will blow it away from wide open. Same with a Sigma 30/2.8 which is sharper than a Flek 35/2.4 from wide open.
What MF lenses give us is a feeling of involvement and a certain look to images Plus a cash saving _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: MF lenses going mainstream ! |
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woodrim wrote:
Mir wrote: |
Minolta MC Rokkor PG 1.4/50
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JohnBar
Joined: 21 Jun 2012 Posts: 581 Location: Liverpool
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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JohnBar wrote:
ZoneV wrote: |
Yes, manual lenses are more and more popular in Germany too. The big magazins started some articles about manual lenses 4 years ago. One headline was ~"Phenomenal image quality - manual focus lenses are better than AF!"
And the newer Zeiss lenses are also very interessting for photographers who search for maximum quality - they get this with the Distagon 15mm and 21mm and the extreme good 55 and 135mm lenses. There even pure AF photographers think twice and buy sometimes the manual lens cause it is so much better.
All this results in higher prices at Ebay. And even on fleamarkets the sellers sometimes give the lenses a more prominent space. Not more a photo bag somewhere bellow the table. |
That's bad news for me , because I love old German optics.
But what is good news for us all is that this period now must be the golden age for lenses. It seems we can make work any lens on a mirrorless camera as well as the M42 and Exakta as before and thanks must go to our friends in the East for making available all the adapters and helicoids and step rings and so forth at great prices to fuel our passion. _________________ Rectilux 3FF Series single focus anamorphic attachments
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Braddanman
Joined: 13 Aug 2012 Posts: 94 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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Braddanman wrote:
Mirrorless cameras are slowly becoming more popular and eating into the Dslr market and I think that eventually Nikon and Canon will have to join in with a camera that's not a half baked attempt in order to protect their Dslr sales.
Once Nikon and Canon are on board and mirrorless cameras become more mainstream I think we can expect another surge in MF Lens prices. |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7794 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
The big local camera fair is always busy, lot's of people looking for bargains. I generally spend most of the day there, it's a social thing for me as much as buying stuff, I know most of the regular stallholders and spend time talking to them. And they all say they can sell the known cheap and cheerful lenses as fast as they can get them, lenses like the Helios 44M, Pentacon 30 and Vivitar 28's. It's the lenses people buy when they venture in to the MF world.
The better lenses do sell, but it's to people like us who are moving on to better lenses. And we tend to do some research, know what we want and what the lens is worth. Some of these dealers bring the same high end lenses time after time, and unless they price to sell they will continue to do so.
The media have whipped up a lot of interest, Amateur Photographer has run a few articles about MF lenses and there's often letters and technical queries about them
And don't forget Attila's efforts on Facebook, that's done a huge amount to promote MF lenses. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6005 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
Mark wrote: |
Some lenses, like the Biotar 75mm f1.5 go for insane prices; even more than modern, quality AF lenses. Demand for MF lenses seems to increase with popularity of mirrorless cameras. This naturally drives prices high, which makes getting quality MF glass more expensive. |
The world of MF lenses has changed quite a lot in the last couple of years.
Some time ago, older MF lenses were seen as quaint left-overs from the film age that weren't up to spec and couldn't compete with the new wizz-bang AF, IF, HSM, super-dooper extra hyper multi coated Image Stabilised VR blah blah blah modern lenses.
And so they were shelved or near given away.
Never mind that the new lenses were slow slow slow with miniscule maximum apertures
How times have changed - and I must say that it is forums like this one that have been responsible for the turnaround.
Sellers are better informed and know what good MF lenses are now - they can even de-cipher serial numbers to tell Komines from Kirons......... and demand has grown as well - so prices have risen.
Having said that - there are some real anomalies in the market place - even now.
Take the Tamron SP 35-80 lens for example. It is a well respected excellent optic and it can sell for over $200 for a good one (yes there will be cheaper but you get the idea).
Compare that to The Nikon Nikkor 35-105 which can be regularly had for one third of that amount in good condition.
There has also been a re-awakening of interest in actually focusing lenses by hand as photographers realise that AF doesn't always get it right.
The world of MF lenses is changing ........
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:56 pm Post subject: Re: MF lenses going mainstream ! |
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peterqd wrote:
woodrim wrote: |
Mir wrote: |
Minolta MC Rokkor PG 1.4/50
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I don't get it. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8979 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
This may help you understand the smilies,I am only guessing but I think it's a favorite?
http://forum.mflenses.com/minolta-rokkor-pg-50mm-f-1-4-t32268.html _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
Lenses
Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Good guess, Mo. Mir also knows that I love this lens. _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8979 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:08 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
You have me looking at minoltas now,not that I have bought any as yet. _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
Lenses
Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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Mir
Joined: 07 Feb 2011 Posts: 979 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:26 am Post subject: |
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Mir wrote:
mo wrote: |
You have me looking at minoltas now,not that I have bought any as yet. |
Yeah.... woodrim does that....
i spent alot of money on RE, Auto-Topcor's because of him....
http://forum.mflenses.com/topcon-35mm-f-2-8-re-auto-topcor-t52524,highlight,%2Btopcor.html
_________________ "Obsta principiis, finem respice"
"There is a fine line between hobby and mental illness"
MISC: Tamron SP 35-80 (01A), Auto Chinon Tomioka 1.4/55, Tokina AT-X 2.5/90, Tamron SP 5,6/300 (54B)
ZEISS: WG Distagon 2.8/25, WG Distagon 2.8/35 HFT, WG Planar HFT 1.4/50, Ultron 1.8/50, WG Sonnar 2.8/85, WG Sonnar HFT 2.8/135
VOIGTLÄNDER : Ultron Aspherical 1.8/21, Ultron 2/28, Nokton Aspherical 1.2/35, Nokton Classic 1.4/40, Nokton Aspherical 1.5/50, Color-Heliar 2.5/75
MINOLTA: MD 3.5/35-70 Macro, MD 1.2/50, MC Rokkor-X 1.2/58, MD Macro 3.5/50
LEITZ: SUMMICRON-R 2/35 (II), SUMMICRON-R 2/50 (II), TELE ELMARIT-M 2,8/90 (Thin)
CANON RF: 2.8/28, 2/35, 1.2/50, 1.4/50, Serenar 1.8/50, 2/85, 2/100, 3.5/100
LTM : FUJINON L 2/5cm, CHIYODA KOGAKU SUPER ROKKOR 1.8/5cm, CHIYOKO SUPER ROKKOR C 2/5cm, TOKYO KOGAKU Topcor-S 2/5cm, Nippon Kogaku NIKKOR-H.C 2/5cm, KMZ Jupiter-8 2/5cm
DKL : VOIGTLÄNDER SKOPAREX 3,4/35, SEPTON 2/50, DYNAREX 3,4/90, SUPER-DYNAREX 4/135, Scheiner-Kreuznach Retina-Xenon 1,9/50
And a small Minolta AF set: 2.8/20, 1.4/35, 1.4/50, 2/100, 4.5/100-200
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:43 am Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Money well spent. _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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