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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:43 am Post subject: Telisar 35/3.5 preset M42 - tiny mystery |
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luisalegria wrote:
I picked this up in a recent lot -
L-R - Telisar 35/3.5, S-M-C Takumar 35/3.5, Soligor preset 35/3.5
What is it ?
Telisar is a very uncommon 3rd-party brand. There are a few 135/4.5 lenses around under this make, plus these 35/3.5's, which are much more rare. So far I have seen Telisars in Leica screw mount and M42 only.
I had one of those 135/4.5's in Leica mount last year, and it had "Made in West Germany" on it. That, plus it had Isco caps and case plus a very similar appearance to the zebra period of Isco lenses in general, leads me to think that "Telisar" was probably a US distributors name for a line of Isco lenses.
The outstanding feature of this thing is its size. This is by far the smallest M42 lens I have. As you can see, its much smaller than the Takumar 35/3.5, and thats small. It is probably about the size of the Industar 50/3.5. The filter size is 40.5mm.
Its well made of brass for the most part, with an aluminum focus ring. The preset mechanism is curious, as the diaphragm ring works in an opposite direction to what one would expect, one turns it in the other direction from the aperture setting ring. The lens protrudes very far in the back, so far that at infinity my Pentax K100D mirror hits it, and that is a crop camera. I think the lens may need adjustment as it focuses a bit beyond infinity, and that should cure the mirror problem, but its still strange. Close focus is not very close for a 35mm, 2.3ft/0.7m, but there is not much room for a long helical on this. There is also some loss of coating on both the front and back elements, which is unfortunately common on these old German lenses.
Performance is exceptionally good I think, for what it is. This is one sharp lens even at f/3.5 in the center. At f/5.6-8 its at least as sharp as the Takumar 35/3.5 in the center and edge. It does rather well with respect to flare and contrast, though not quite as well as the Takumar. I can't detect any distortion, though of course a crop-sensor camera would not be the best for this. All in all, this is quite a surprising curiosity.
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sichko
Joined: 20 Jun 2008 Posts: 2475 Location: South West UK
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:47 am Post subject: |
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sichko wrote:
High quality shots. _________________ John |
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Mist
Joined: 28 Jul 2009 Posts: 134 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:38 am Post subject: |
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Mist wrote:
Pictures quality is very good.
This lens is a tiny gem. |
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scsambrook
Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 2167 Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:29 am Post subject: Telisar |
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scsambrook wrote:
I have a very vague memory of this from the early 1960s - maybe even the the late 50s. But I don't think the brand was sold in the UK and possibly my recollection comes from seeing it advertised in USA photo magazines. I had a collection of them back then.
The long rear protrusion you mention suggests it was originally meant for the Edixa family which had relatively small mirrors. Unless it's focusing way back past its infinity setting I can't see some maladjustment being to blame for it catchnig the Pentax mirror.
Not much positive help, I'm afraid, but it's certainly an interesting and intriguing lens. _________________ Stephen
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:32 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Very interesting!
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Séamuis
Joined: 20 Jul 2008 Posts: 157 Location: here & now
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Séamuis wrote:
its size (and performance) reminds me of the tiny little Auto-Takumar 3.5/35 its about the same size as this little one. neat lens you have there. _________________ Fish-Eye -- Fish-Eye-Takumar 1:11/18
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Attila
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Neat lens , great samples! _________________ -------------------------------
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kevinsullivan
Joined: 26 Nov 2009 Posts: 1
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:26 am Post subject: Re: Telisar 35/3.5 preset M42 - tiny mystery |
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kevinsullivan wrote:
luisalegria wrote: |
Telisar is a very uncommon 3rd-party brand. There are a few 135/4.5 lenses around under this make, plus these 35/3.5's, which are much more rare. So far I have seen Telisars in Leica screw mount and M42 only.
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Here's another Telisar (pictures below). I haven't found another like it. It's a 135/3.5, not 4.5, in a Leica mount. I find 135/3.5 M42 all chrome, but not black like this one. The gentleman who owned this lens used it as a cinema lens, with a c-mount adapter. If you know anything about this item, I'd be interested to know as well. (Sorry, my pix show up in msg preview, but not when I submit! If anyone know's what I'm doing wrong, please tell.)
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:03 am Post subject: Re: Telisar 35/3.5 preset M42 - tiny mystery |
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Spotmatic wrote:
kevinsullivan wrote: |
luisalegria wrote: |
Telisar is a very uncommon 3rd-party brand. There are a few 135/4.5 lenses around under this make, plus these 35/3.5's, which are much more rare. So far I have seen Telisars in Leica screw mount and M42 only.
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Here's another Telisar (pictures below). I haven't found another like it. It's a 135/3.5, not 4.5, in a Leica mount. I find 135/3.5 M42 all chrome, but not black like this one. The gentleman who owned this lens used it as a cinema lens, with a c-mount adapter. If you know anything about this item, I'd be interested to know as well. (Sorry, my pix show up in msg preview, but not when I submit! If anyone know's what I'm doing wrong, please tell.)
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:15 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
nice little lens and great results
welcome Kevin, this 135 is a beauty! |
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spiralcity
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 1207 Location: Chicago, U.S.A
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:52 am Post subject: |
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spiralcity wrote:
It looks like a Schacht lens I use to own... but that would be the similarity in focus ring only.
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:02 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
I had that 135 in LSM also (got it on ebay early last year), subsequently sold it. Thats the only other Telisar I have had.
I agree that it strongly resembles a Schacht. Unfortunately, it also resembles Isco and Enna (maybe more like an early 1960's metal-bodied Enna in knurling), while not being identical to any specific Schacht, Isco, or Enna model that I know of.
The Telisar 135 I had came with properly fitting Isco-labeled caps, if that means anything. It would not be usual for one makers cap that fits over the lens barrel (as opposed to going in the filter ring) to match as there is no outside diameter standard. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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carlzeissjena
Joined: 15 Aug 2012 Posts: 15 Location: Munich Germany
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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:27 am Post subject: Telisar, a Rodenstock lens |
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carlzeissjena wrote:
Hi there,
came accross this thread only now.
Telisar was/is a tradename of Optische Werke G. Rodenstock in Munich/Germany located very close to Enna (also in Munich ) and also close to Schacht (60 km to Ulm, the city where Schacht was).
I did find recently a fairly unique mirror lens marked "G. Rodenstock Muenchen" and "Telisar 1:12 f=520mm" so there is the link between the Telisar lens name and manufacturer, which might not have been disclosed on OEM lenses delivered or made by Rodenstock for other companies as Schacht and Enna nearby at the time.
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Yes, thank you very much!
So its a Rodenstock. I speculate this was a cheaper line they did not want to label as Rodenstock.
That's another mystery solved.
These are very uncommon lenses, more so than the already quite scarce Rodenstock labelled SLR lenses. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7555 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Those Telisar lenses have a very limited serial range begins with 571 or 572 on most lenses except the early one Click here to see on Ebay.
Rodenstock never officially made any 3.5/35 for SLR. The Eurygon 4/35 is the only 35mm with Rodenstock name. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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carlzeissjena
Joined: 15 Aug 2012 Posts: 15 Location: Munich Germany
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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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carlzeissjena wrote:
Hi there,
all what I can say is the engraving "Rodenstock" and " Telisar" on one lens as mentioned. The serial No. being engraved is "6 201 434"
further engraved is "IR" (=Infra Red ?) and " Eltro". Looks very much like an industrial optic, no focus, no "cosmetics", just a plain Aluminum tube black anodized, two mirrors, no fitting nothing.
Will post a picture asap.
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philslizzy
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 4744 Location: Cheshire, England
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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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philslizzy wrote:
An intriguing lens with an intriguing story. Cracking good photos _________________ Hero in the 'messin-with-cameras-for-the-hell-of-it department'. Official. |
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