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Are you buying the new FF from sony?
Yes, I'm buying the A7
18%
 18%  [ 9 ]
Yes, I'm buying the A7R
20%
 20%  [ 10 ]
Not buying a new camera now
62%
 62%  [ 31 ]
Total Votes : 50



PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:04 pm    Post subject: Are you buying the new FF sony? Reply with quote
I just wonder how many of you guys are buying the new FF mirrorless from Sony? Very Happy


PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Certainly NOT any of them.


PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I might consider a7R for one of the work projects in the future, but not right now.
I would, if I had a suitcase of money lying around.


PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
No, I'm not a wealthy person. I doubt many people will buy it, not many have 2 grand to spend on a camera.

I do plan to buy a new camera early next year though, and the SLT-A65 looks like the one, as it's available for just over 400ukp body only, and I expect it will be available for a bit less by the time I'm ready to buy.

To be honest, I really don't feel the need to have a FF digital camera, the benefits vs APS-C are a lot less than the hype would make you think.


PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Stats\results can be misleading as I voted "no" cos I'm a film user Wink


PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'd like to, but not at the moment, probably I will buy it used sooner or later as I'm used to


PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The A7 is the first mirrorless camera to catch my eye, maybe in a couple of years I'll pull one from the second-hand market.
I have all the bodies I need right now but as I creep towards my half century I'm starting to think about lighter gear.


PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
SonicScot wrote:
The A7 is the first mirrorless camera to catch my eye, maybe in a couple of years I'll pull one from the second-hand market.
I have all the bodies I need right now ....


+1
Just bought a second hand 5D! I hope that'll get me through a couple of years.....


PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Not now. Having a FF mirror-less digital camera will not upgrade my skills instantly. I will use my 5N until the price drops to a more affordable level.


PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
for 1400€ or less, it is very tempting, will think about in May, now it is winter time


PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
the 15mm Heliar on Ricoh GXR M has given me the wide angle performance I had been missing when i was using legacy lenses on my dSLR, also AF Sigma 2.8/19 on my NEX5N and Skopar 4/25, and I am still thrilled by the low light performance of my NEX5N.

For now I wait until I have handled these cameras and there is a clear consensus about their performance and use. Down the road most likely I will get one of the two, but it could take quite a while and even already be a successor or a FF mirrorless of another maker.


PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
High on wish list - a7r + grip, but as usual, i am late adopter.
normally wait until all faults had been fixed,
or next hardware version if faults need new hardware designs.

have ff now, no rush.


PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nope.

I've lost a lot of the interest over the last year, so not buying any cameras. Which is a shame as I used to have at least one camera with me all the time.


PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
No. Might consider if Sony is going to release something like an A5 or A3, assuming the A7 is similar to NEX-7 but full frame and A5/A3 are the A7/A7R's more entry level brothers.

By A5/3 I mean mainly no weather sealing; 1/4000s is good enough for me; maybe optional viewfinder only just like the NEX-5/3, but doesn't hurt if it has it (maybe an A6?) so that I have the option to get more shots per full battery charge.

For now, I will continue using the K-30 to better my manual focusing skills before moving onto FF.


PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
No, I'm not a wealthy person. I doubt many people will buy it, not many have 2 grand to spend on a camera.

I do plan to buy a new camera early next year though, and the SLT-A65 looks like the one, as it's available for just over 400ukp body only, and I expect it will be available for a bit less by the time I'm ready to buy.

To be honest, I really don't feel the need to have a FF digital camera, the benefits vs APS-C are a lot less than the hype would make you think.



I am certainly considering it, as a FF digital camera able to carry my Hexanon lenses is something I've been waiting for a long time. That said, it doesn't come cheap, so I will wait until the initial excitement dies off and, hopefully, pick one up at a much reduced price.

I agree with your comment that the advantages of a FF sensor over an APS-C sensor are not so obvious, insofar as I understand you are referring to resolution. The main reason I want a FF sensor is to test my suspicion that my Hexanons are going to perform better in terms of contrast and clarity when they are used with a sensor which fills their entire image circle. Playing around with baffles to increase contrast, to get rid of the milky mist, and get the color depth Hexanons are famous for is getting quite tedious. Same for CA, which is either hardly perceptible or nowhere to be seen on film but definitely bothersome with some lenses on APS-C. This is the reason I almost never shoot digital. So I am tempted to buy one of the new Sonys, if only to experiment.


PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
No, definitely not.

For FF I have my 5D and for everything else my other cams are more than good enough.

Perhaps, just like others, I might buy one in 5 years, when the price of a decent used one is down to 1/3 of the orignal price. Wink


PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I am proud NEX-3 first version owner Laughing Laughing many thanks to Graham who kindly sold me , if I ever been a well paid pro, first thing what I will do I will buy NEX A7.


PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
8 people voted yes, looks like we can be a nice little gang using this new system Wink


PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
except for the vnex system, I think i have all kind of mounts for a nex body.
that make the upgrade less expensive Smile

also my nex5n just become pirky regarding sd card, may be dirty card/pin.
I may got approved to get the new body.


PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nordentro wrote:
8 people voted yes, looks like we can be a nice little gang using this new system Wink


I'd rather rate the images produced, then the equipment it was done with.
Let's see how much "better" the results will be in that regard... Laughing


PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
konicamera wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
No, I'm not a wealthy person. I doubt many people will buy it, not many have 2 grand to spend on a camera.

I do plan to buy a new camera early next year though, and the SLT-A65 looks like the one, as it's available for just over 400ukp body only, and I expect it will be available for a bit less by the time I'm ready to buy.

To be honest, I really don't feel the need to have a FF digital camera, the benefits vs APS-C are a lot less than the hype would make you think.



I am certainly considering it, as a FF digital camera able to carry my Hexanon lenses is something I've been waiting for a long time. That said, it doesn't come cheap, so I will wait until the initial excitement dies off and, hopefully, pick one up at a much reduced price.

I agree with your comment that the advantages of a FF sensor over an APS-C sensor are not so obvious, insofar as I understand you are referring to resolution. The main reason I want a FF sensor is to test my suspicion that my Hexanons are going to perform better in terms of contrast and clarity when they are used with a sensor which fills their entire image circle. Playing around with baffles to increase contrast, to get rid of the milky mist, and get the color depth Hexanons are famous for is getting quite tedious. Same for CA, which is either hardly perceptible or nowhere to be seen on film but definitely bothersome with some lenses on APS-C. This is the reason I almost never shoot digital. So I am tempted to buy one of the new Sonys, if only to experiment.


That's a very good point. As the majority of the better lenses in my collection are Hexanons, I would always be best served by buying a camera that can use them, and I've done the majority of my work in the last 2 years with Hexanons and my trusty NEX-3. I can't say I've had any issues with contrast, which lenses have you found to be troublesome in that regard? I guess it would be very interesting to shoot the same lens on both APS-C and FF to see the actual difference.

I won't try to kid anybody, the a7 and a7r are far outside my potential budget, if I had the resources to buy one I would. It doesn't bother me that I can't afford one though because I've always been satisfied with the results I've had from my APS-C NEX-3. I'm interested to see what APS-C models Sony releases in the near future, the A3000 isn't for me due to the lo-res lcd and evf, but I expect the new 20mp senor in it is a nice upgrade from my old 14mp NEX-3.

Honestly, there isn't a camera on the market right now that really offers me what I want and I also affordable to me. I like some of the Fuji X series, but they are too expensive for me, M4/3 doesn't appeal, so realistically, I'm looking at the Sony and Samsung mirrorless ranges. I am saving my pennies between now and spring to buy a new camera, and watching the new releases closely, hoping something that suits me comes along. The a7 and a7r would surely suit me, but sadly are outside my budgetary constraints.


PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Purchase of a digital camera is something very different from purchase of a lens or even of a film camera.
Unless one really needs it (because he has no camera, or because his present camera is real crap, or
because he really needs the new camera features for his job) the purchase of a new digital camera should
be avoided and delayed until absolutely necessary.
This because a digital camera quickly loses it's value and never recovers it.
On the contrary, a used lens, if it's a good lens, will lose little value over a much longer period of time, and
if it's a vintage lens, it may even increase in value with the time.
Vintage film cameras do not allow the buyer a comparable edge when reselling compared to vintage lenses,
but they do not lose much value either, so they usually can be resold for nearly the same value as they were
purchased for (if they were purchased used).
In other words: with lenses, if you are good you can even make a profit; with vintage film cameras, you more
or less take back home the same value that you spent; with digital cameras, you are sure to lose a significant
amount of your investment in a significantly short time, unless you really use the camera a lot, in which case,
the frequent use repays you of the investment.


PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
Purchase of a digital camera is something very different from purchase of a lens or even of a film camera.
Unless one really needs it (because he has no camera, or because his present camera is real crap, or
because he really needs the new camera features for his job) the purchase of a new digital camera should
be avoided and delayed until absolutely necessary.


Or if you plan to sell others that you already have. Then it work as well. Wink


PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
LucisPictor wrote:
Orio wrote:
Purchase of a digital camera is something very different from purchase of a lens or even of a film camera.
Unless one really needs it (because he has no camera, or because his present camera is real crap, or
because he really needs the new camera features for his job) the purchase of a new digital camera should
be avoided and delayed until absolutely necessary.


Or if you plan to sell others that you already have. Then it work as well. Wink


Yes, but within the limitation that I said above. I paid something like 2500 Euros for my 5D originally.
Today, if I sell it, I would get 500 Euros including all gadgets like extra batteries and vertical grip, that I paid
good money for at the time.
So the camera + the accessories lost from 80% to 85% of the original value, regardless if I used it or not in the meantime.

That is why I say that unless one knows that he's going to really use the camera, is better to avoid purchase.
I did not use my 5D much, I bought the 5D Mark II only a couple of years after, but in those two years, I used the 5D
for my paid job, so the investment paid out, and I would not regret it if I sell it now for 80% less value.
I spent a lot of money for the M9 in 2010, but in the 3,5 years that followed, I used it almost every day, and it gave me
a lot of great pictures, so again, the investment was useful, albeit not directly profitable.
Instead, I used little my 50D, because I often preferred to shoot full frame, so when I sold it, I lost quite a lot of money,
although I did sell it at a good used price because it was almost like new.
So I count it amongst my failed purchases.
The point is, again: be sure that you really need the camera and that you will use it a lot, otherwise, don't buy.
Buying your lens #100 just as a caprice, will not hurt much, because if it's a good lens you will not lose much by reselling it later.
Buying your digital camera #5 is going to do a lot of financial hurt if you are not going to consider it your #1 camera for use.


PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well, I decided several years ago that the day there will be a mirrorless FF camera on the market, I will be first in line to grab one of them Wink

It is not really a revolution if you talk about IQ, but it is signifant step for mirrorless camera evolution. I am exited, but also a bit worried about the short register distance. Wink

But of course, the main reason is to take good photos and what you have in the camerabag is not really important in that matter. We have seen lots of stunning results from simple cameras and lenses on this forum! I also fully agree with Orio, buying a digital camera is a bad investment if you don´t really need one.

- Lars
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