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Nordentro
Joined: 24 Jun 2010 Posts: 4713 Location: Lillehammer, Norway
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:25 am Post subject: High quality lenses for the FF sony? |
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Nordentro wrote:
I consider to buy 1-2 or a few super high quality lenses to pair up with my new A7R.
What is considered to be among the best "high end" MF lenses?
Is the Zeiss planars as good as the rumors?
Compact is good, but not necessary. _________________ Lars | Manuellfokus.no |
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Pontus
Joined: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 1471 Location: Jakobstad, Finland
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Pontus wrote:
Oh, you're opening that can of worms
Some less than obvious choices:
- CV 35/1.2 v2
- OM 35-80/2.8 ED
- Leica M 75/2 APO
- FD 85/1.2 SSC Asph
- Zeiss 100/2 Macro-Planar
- CV 125/2.5 Macro APO-Lanthar
- Zeiss 135/2 Apo-Sonnar
- Minolta/Sony 135 STF
- Nikkor AI-S 200/2
- Rokkor RF 250/5.6
- Leica R 280/4 APO
- Nikkor AI-S 600/5.6
I'm also very interested in hearing which of the shorter Zeisses (that are available new today) are considered best. _________________ Follow this link for my FOR SALE list (partially updated 19.11.2015) |
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barryreid
Joined: 27 Aug 2013 Posts: 285 Location: London
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:07 am Post subject: |
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barryreid wrote:
I plan to use the Canon TS-E 17mm & 24mm lenses on the A7r. _________________ Canon + Contax + Minolta + Nikon + Olympus + Pentax + Yashica = Adaptall-2 |
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Dogtag
Joined: 27 Jul 2013 Posts: 164 Location: Holland del norte
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:13 am Post subject: Re: High quality lenses for the FF sony? |
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Dogtag wrote:
Nordentro wrote: |
I consider to buy 1-2 or a few super high quality lenses to pair up with my new A7R.
What is considered to be among the best "high end" MF lenses?
Is the Zeiss planars as good as the rumors?
Compact is good, but not necessary. |
Noctilux https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUJc83wV6iA&feature=player_detailpage#t=555 _________________ Konica AR fan
Konica AR, 135/2.5 135/3.2 135/3.5 100/2.8 85/1.8 55/3.5-macro 57/1.2 57/1.4 50/1.4 52/1.8 50/1.7(3x) 40/1.8 35/2.8 35/2 28/1.8 24/2.8
Missing UC 15mm and 21mm |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7572 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:21 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
There is three brands you will consider if you want to buy new lens: Lecia, Voigtländer or Zeiss. _________________ The best lens is the one you have with you.
https://lensfever.com/
https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
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Aanything
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 2187 Location: Piacenza, Italy
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:22 am Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
Distagon 35 1.4, for me. If I were able to afford that together with an a7r I would probably be happy with just that setup. _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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Gurin
Joined: 04 Jan 2013 Posts: 65 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Gurin wrote:
Nordentro
I will follow you on this topic since my shooting habits seems to mirror yours. The C/Y Planars 50 1.4 and 85 1.4 gives beautiful pictures on my Olympus Epl5.
I will probably buy an A7r come spring. It is to dark here in northern Sweden to do any exiting shooting at this time of the year. _________________ Sony A7
Olympus: Epl5, 2x Epl1, E1, E3, E330, E500.
m4/3: 14-42 Mk1, 14-150, 14, 75, Samyang 7.5.
4/3: 14-45, 40-150 Mk1, 35, 11-22, 14-54 Mk1, 50-200 SWD.
OM: 28 2.8, 50 1.8, 100 2.8, 135 2.8.
Pen-F 25 2.8, 38 1.8, 50-90 3.5.
Konica Hexanon: 21 4, 28 3.5, 35 2.8, 40 1.8, 50 1,7, 85 1.8, 100 2.8, 135 3.5, 400 4.5.
C/Y: Carl Zeiss Tele-tessar 200 3.5, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 135 2.8, Carl Zeiss Planar T 85 1.4, Carl Zeiss Planar T 50 1.4, Carl Zeiss Tessar T 45 2,8.
Canon Fd 50 1.8.
Pentax K 50 1.7.
M42 Pentacon MC 135 2.8, Mayer-Görlitz Lydith 30 3.5.
M Leitz Elmar-C 90 4, CV 35 1,2 MkII. |
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bernhardas
Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Posts: 1432
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:20 am Post subject: |
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bernhardas wrote:
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listera
Joined: 24 Oct 2013 Posts: 126 Location: Ankara
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:20 am Post subject: |
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listera wrote:
I think most of these were more than obvious )
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Some less than obvious choices:
- CV 35/1.2 v2
- OM 35-80/2.8 ED
- Leica M 75/2 APO
- FD 85/1.2 SSC Asph
- Zeiss 100/2 Macro-Planar
- CV 125/2.5 Macro APO-Lanthar
- Zeiss 135/2 Apo-Sonnar
- Minolta/Sony 135 STF
- Nikkor AI-S 200/2
- Rokkor RF 250/5.6
- Leica R 280/4 APO
- Nikkor AI-S 600/5.6
_________________ Zuikoware / Rokkorprone / FDthropist
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sceptic
Joined: 01 Jun 2013 Posts: 255
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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sceptic wrote:
bernhardas wrote: |
The Tokina 90 2.5 macro is the second one and it is considerably lighter and smaller. However it is prone to flare if going directly against the light while the Zeiss can tolerate that.
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I would also highly recommend the "Bokina". Although I have never used it on a full-frame sensor, I can certainly attest to its sharpness and bokeh on an APS-C camera (Fuji X-E1). Build quality is also top notch, you can hammer nails with it or jack up your car if you need to change a flat tyre.
It so happens that I have one for sale as well (Minolta SR mount), take a look at: http://flic.kr/s/aHsjMVij1D for pictures of it _________________ Sony A7R and wildly varying flora of lenses |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
hi n
what a happy topic to think about, huh?
imo, two things are important, youre preferred focal lengths and balance.
for me that means 35 and something in the portrait area of 75-90mm. for balance, i tend to look for rf lenses or smaller, more manageable slr lenses. for example, size notwothstanding, the contax distagon 35/1.4 and planar 85/1.4 would be top choices. but frankly, again imo, they are way too big to feel good on a compact mirrorless. if youre a 50mm guy, you are much more likely to find a good, fast compact slr lens.
however, if youre in the 35-90mm i would seriously consider rf lenses. any of the zm's or summicrons will be decently priced, will perform fabulously, and will be very well balanced. if you provide your preferred fl's itd be easier to provide recommendations.
tony _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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hoanpham
Joined: 31 Jan 2011 Posts: 2575
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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hoanpham wrote:
slr lenses:
Rokkor RF 250/5.6
Konica AR 28/1.8 UC
Canon FD/FL lenses
Topcor RE lenses
slr lenses mirror issue on canon FF:
Distagon 15/3.5 c/y
Distagon 28/2 c/y
slr lenses with adapter issue on canon FF:
Pentax 28/3.5 shift
Pentax 15/3.5
I would love to use slr lenses with a tilt adapter on this new sony ff. |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
hoan i would love to see anyone try to use a tilt adapter with that monster hollywood distagon on any compact mirrorless. there are reasons beyond sensor size that slr's are large. there are real issues about balance and handling of large lenses and how those issues relate not only to comfort (which is important enough) but to imprecise focusing and motion blur. i think these critical concerns are constantly overlooked in these discussions and decisions, leading later to great disappointment. horses for courses man. the next person to explain why a mirrorless compact is preferrable in shooting large slr lenses to say a 6d or a950 will be the first one to do so. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
Tony wrote: |
there are reasons beyond sensor size that slr's are large. there are real issues about balance and handling of large lenses and how those issues relate not only to comfort (which is important enough) but to imprecise focusing and motion blur |
easy to make a mirrorless bigger and heavier (with brick or grip) but more difficult to make a dslr smaller and lighter _________________ T* |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
true. my point was the 6d and a950 are already pretty small FF dslr's. if the goal is to use big heavy slr glass on FF i do not understand the attraction of a compact mirrorless when these arguably more appropriate and more effective alternatives are available. i fully understand, and have personally gone the way of, the leica mantra of 'small camera, big pictures'. but i do not understand 'small camera, big lenses'. imo, it is self defeating and not 'purpose' or 'goal' directed. it is like the modern, and imo kind of mindless, obsession with always shooting at wide open apertures. it strikes me as not thoughtful or purposeful. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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'buy me a drink, sing me a song,
take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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Aanything
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 2187 Location: Piacenza, Italy
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
rbelyell wrote: |
true. my point was the 6d and a950 are already pretty small FF dslr's. if the goal is to use big heavy slr glass on FF i do not understand the attraction of a compact mirrorless when these arguably more appropriate and more effective alternatives are available. i fully understand, and have personally gone the way of, the leica mantra of 'small camera, big pictures'. but i do not understand 'small camera, big lenses'. imo, it is self defeating and not 'purpose' or 'goal' directed. it is like the modern, and imo kind of mindless, obsession with always shooting at wide open apertures. it strikes me as not thoughtful or purposeful. |
The fact is that with the small mirrorless cameras you can shoot both big slr lenses and small rf ones, and not everyone can afford to have an a7r for small lenses and an a99 for big ones - I'm not even sure I can afford one of the two.
I prefer much more the handling of a dslr over a mirrorless in 80% of the situations but, having to buy a FF camera today, I'd probably lean towards the a7/a7r because of the ability to mount all the lenses I own: I see the size as a little trade off in terms of handling versus the wider compatibility. Then the subjectivity factor strikes in, and all that I think about this issue can be completely reversed when considered from a different user with different needs and priorities.
Just as shooting wide open: I completely agree with you, and in many cases I don't like the results, but some do actually produce stunning work using gear in a different way and with different purposes.
Also, after a couple of days shooting with a Jena 180/2.8 on a nex5r, I'd say that practice helps much overcoming the weird balance. _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4569 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
the A7/r are of about the same size as common SLRs used to be in the 70s, they are a bit shorter and lighter and have a much better grip.
besides using big teles for which at least a mononpod is recommended anyway I don't see any issue with fit of manual SLR lenses on A7/r. _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections |
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hoanpham
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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hoanpham wrote:
Pentax 28/3.5 shift with tilt adapter on sony ff
Will be far cheaper than ts lenses from canikon.
The distagon or pentax 15mm on canon FF are also difficult lenses.
Not only the use, but also weight. May be a grip on a7 ? |
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
I have the A7 since monday and now felt in love with combination with Canada Summicron-M 50/2 (optically latest).
Awesome crispyness, micro-contrast and perfect colors even wide open. On FF you can see why this lens has such a good reputation!
I will sell the Zeiss T* ZM 50/1.5 now - I clearly prefer the look of the Summicron-M.
Samyang 85/1.4 makes the A7 to be an awesome ultra-thin-DOF machine, feels almost medium format like.
Samyang 14/2.8 get's reeaally wide on FF - if you're an ultra wide angle shooter this one might be very interesting for you.
Heavy lenses like Samyang 85/1.4 are absolutely no problem on A7/r! It absolutely not like with NEX etc. - you have a really large and robust grip. _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
(German language)
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Nordentro
Joined: 24 Jun 2010 Posts: 4713 Location: Lillehammer, Norway
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Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:07 am Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
Thx guys, I have a lot to look at now
Is your 14mm Samyang with E-mount Forenseil?
Distagon 35mm f/1.4 seems interesting for a walk around lens or the Voigtlander Ultron 28mm f/2.0? _________________ Lars | Manuellfokus.no |
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
Nordentro wrote: |
Thx guys, I have a lot to look at now
Is your 14mm Samyang with E-mount Forenseil?
Distagon 35mm f/1.4 seems interesting for a walk around lens or the Voigtlander Ultron 28mm f/2.0? |
The Voigtländer might have corner problems. If you can get it cheap buy it, test it, share results and resell if necessary. Otherwise I would wait until someone else test's it on A7/r.
The Distagon won't have corner issues (retrofocus design) but it's a little larger of course (imho not a big problem though, A7/r works well even with much large lenses)
My 14mm Samyang is Canon EF but it doesn't matter if E-Mount, Sony A, Nikon... - they all have the same size and same IQ (identical optics), all you need is an adapter.
Get the cheapest and you will be fine. I got mine for about 180€ used.
But don't forget - 14mm are damn wide on FF (like ~9m gnomic wide angle on APS-C), not easy to handle. _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
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barryreid
Joined: 27 Aug 2013 Posts: 285 Location: London
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Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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barryreid wrote:
A little heads up if anyone in the UK wants a bargain on an A7; Amazingly there is one in the s/h cabinets at LCE in London, for £1099. Someone hasn't given it much chance! _________________ Canon + Contax + Minolta + Nikon + Olympus + Pentax + Yashica = Adaptall-2 |
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Nordentro
Joined: 24 Jun 2010 Posts: 4713 Location: Lillehammer, Norway
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Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
ForenSeil wrote: |
My 14mm Samyang is Canon EF but it doesn't matter if E-Mount, Sony A, Nikon... - they all have the same size and same IQ (identical optics), all you need is an adapter.
Get the cheapest and you will be fine. I got mine for about 180€ used.
But don't forget - 14mm are damn wide on FF (like ~9m gnomic wide angle on APS-C), not easy to handle. |
Thx I wolud inspect more on those lenses, I used to have a 7-14mm panasonic (m43) that I sold to get the A7R, and I miss a real good wide angle. Can you post some samples with the Samyang? _________________ Lars | Manuellfokus.no |
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ManualFocus-G
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Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:38 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
barryreid wrote: |
A little heads up if anyone in the UK wants a bargain on an A7; Amazingly there is one in the s/h cabinets at LCE in London, for £1099. Someone hasn't given it much chance! |
Incredible Panamoz have them for £1005.00 new too _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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ManualFocus-G
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