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BurstMox
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:37 pm Post subject: Meyer-Optik Görlitz Primoplan 58mm/1.9 M42 |
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BurstMox wrote:
Hi everybody
Some time ago, I bought this lens, screwed on KW Praktica. So, today was time to test it on 5D (infinity not possible yet).
First of all, here is the lens :
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I don't know which version is it, but I saw other M42 Primoplan looking a bit different (like this one : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360411148765 ). Maybe it's earlier or later version, I dunno. There is no "made in germany" on mine.
Nevertheless, here are some sample, without PP exepted slight exposure correction. 3,4,5 are wide open (looks like it's vignetting a bit) :
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_________________ Pierre
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16658 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
A very early one by its serial number, uncoated I woudl guess. A nice lens rendering is quite unique. _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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BurstMox
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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BurstMox wrote:
I think it's coated (blue). But I love the rendering.
SN : 1132006, but I dunno their SN system. _________________ Pierre
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16658 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Made 1951 in a batch of 600 lenses. Coated, you're correct. _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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DR.JUAN
Joined: 08 Feb 2013 Posts: 661
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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DR.JUAN wrote:
Old meyer lens, lovely.
If you need or like it style, very nice to use. |
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BurstMox
Joined: 04 Dec 2011 Posts: 2018 Location: France
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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BurstMox wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
Made 1951 in a batch of 600 lenses. Coated, you're correct. |
Thanks for info, I'm always glad to know a bit of "history" of my lenses . That's partialy why I love old lenses. _________________ Pierre
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darkstah
Joined: 11 Apr 2012 Posts: 7
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Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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darkstah wrote:
BurstMox wrote: |
kds315* wrote: |
Made 1951 in a batch of 600 lenses. Coated, you're correct. |
Thanks for info, I'm always glad to know a bit of "history" of my lenses . That's partialy why I love old lenses. |
hello i have also one , his number 1505403 can somebody tell me a bit of its history?
thanks |
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TrueLoveOne
Joined: 30 Sep 2012 Posts: 1839 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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TrueLoveOne wrote:
Nice lens! I really like the picture of the dog! Great swirly bokeh! _________________ My Flickr photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/chantalrene/
Sony A7, Canon 5D mkII, Minolta 7D + RD3000 and some more.....
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Congrats! Probably fetch high price if you not willing to keep it sell it, I had a pre-war went above 900 USD. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:32 am Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
I have been lusting for this lens, but prices have been very high. _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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BurstMox
Joined: 04 Dec 2011 Posts: 2018 Location: France
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:08 am Post subject: |
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BurstMox wrote:
I don't think I will sell such lens, I love it. Also, I'm not used to sell my lenses, I don't have merchant spirit. The only lenses I sold were some Helios 44-2 (that I bought for test) and Jupiter-12, that was not usable on digital cam.
I bought this Primoplan for 140 euros mounted on an early KW Pratkica (first version) from 1951 (that I will certainly sell, I'm not camera fan, only lens). _________________ Pierre
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darkstah
Joined: 11 Apr 2012 Posts: 7
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:13 am Post subject: |
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darkstah wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Congrats! Probably fetch high price if you not willing to keep it sell it, I had a pre-war went above 900 USD. |
i'll probably sell mine but i don't think the price will be so high |
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inombrable
Joined: 20 Mar 2012 Posts: 545 Location: Salamanca, Mexico
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:22 am Post subject: |
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inombrable wrote:
woodrim wrote: |
I have been lusting for this lens, but prices have been very high. |
Look for those old prakticas as BUrstMox did, I got mine just a few weeks ago for 9.99 USD attached to an old praktica, the lens didn't have nameplate, that is why it went so low and I was the only bidder but still attached to camera the price is much lower than the 250-350 Euros is reaching the lens alone. |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7576 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:30 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
I bought mine for less than $60 together with other lenses. You will find one finally with a bit of luck and patience. _________________ The best lens is the one you have with you.
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
inombrable wrote: |
I got mine just a few weeks ago for 9.99 USD attached to an old praktica |
inombrable wrote: |
I got mine just a few weeks ago for 9.99 USD attached to an old praktica |
Arrrghhhhhh. _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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Attila
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
most common post war lens price go around 200 USD. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Mos6502
Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Posts: 960 Location: Austin
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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Mos6502 wrote:
No offense meant to lovers of this lens, but I've never really understood the attraction to them, even as a meyer fan.
I get that the rendering is interesting, but it's not interesting in a beautiful way such as with the Biotar or some other contemporary designs. I'd think the best reason for having one is to have an oddball lens for your old Praktica or Exakta. |
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woodrim
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
As they say about beauty being in the eye of the beholder, that is how I see it. For me, and although I am not a proponent of always using full open aperture, this lens is one where I'd probably only use it wide open or very near that. AND only for certain pictures where the subject or background is conducive to the effects I'm seeking. I'm not crazy about the bokeh of the dog shot, but I do like the first duck bokeh. This lens will provide many failed images with a few every now and then that hit the mark. Very much a specialty lens and not an all purpose lens in my mind. I have no need for another lens in that focal length unless it does something unique, and this one does. _________________ Regards,
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Attila
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Mos6502 wrote: |
No offense meant to lovers of this lens, but I've never really understood the attraction to them, even as a meyer fan.
I get that the rendering is interesting, but it's not interesting in a beautiful way such as with the Biotar or some other contemporary designs. I'd think the best reason for having one is to have an oddball lens for your old Praktica or Exakta. |
Key is Asia and bokeh hilights, Asian people handle these lenses 100X better usually than Europeans or Americans a few exception apply of course. Asian people have different interest about lenses, worth to look and follow them , they have different visual imagination. I saw a few outstanding examples how people can master to use this lens on Facebook. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Mos6502
Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Posts: 960 Location: Austin
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Mos6502 wrote:
Fujinon 2.2/55 - M42 by praktinafan, on Flickr
Primoplan 1:1,9/58 by alf sigaro, on Flickr
Interesting.
I've always thought there was a slight family resemblance when used wide open. Somebody should do a head to head comparison. |
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woodrim
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Seem more different than similar. _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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Mos6502
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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Mos6502 wrote:
woodrim wrote: |
Seem more different than similar. |
They might be. I had heard that the Primoplan was based off the ernostar type, but it seems the Fujinon has more in common with the ernostar than the Primoplan. Both however are developments of the triplet rather than double gauss derivatives, so relatively speaking they have more in common with each other than they do with most other fast normals.
FUJINON f=55mm 1:2.2 by DHIPAYAZANYA MESPOEDOK, on Flickr |
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std
Joined: 09 Feb 2010 Posts: 1826 Location: Bulgaria
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:25 am Post subject: |
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std wrote:
Indeed the samples of this fuji lens are different from the Primoplan rendering.
The highlight feel more harsh and missing the smoothness of the Primoplan.
It's a completely different lens in terms of picture rendering. _________________ Stefan
My lens list:
SLR MD: Rokkor 1,7/50 Exakta: Kilfitt-Makro-Kilar E 3.5/4cm; CZJ 2/50 Pancolar;M42: CZJ 2.8/50 Tessar; Mir-1B 2.8/37; Jupiter-9 2/85 T-mount: Tamron 5.9/200; Tamron 6.9/300; Tamron 7.5/400 C-mount: Cosmicar 1.8/50 Y/S: Sun 3.5/38-90, Sun 4/70-210 RF Contax RF: Jupiter-8 2/50; Contax G:CZ 2,8/21 Biogon T; CZ 2,8/28 Biogon T; CZ 2/35 Planar T; CZ 2/45 Planar T; CZ 2,8/90 Sonnar T |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I owned an X-Fujinon 2.2/55, as std says, renders nothing like the Primoplan or Biotar. I always thought the 2.2/55 was a tessar as it renders like one, with the same type of busy bokeh. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16658 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
It's a very unique lens the Primoplan...
... very impressionistic. _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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