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Meyer-Optik Görlitz Primoplan 58mm/1.9 M42
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:37 pm    Post subject: Meyer-Optik Görlitz Primoplan 58mm/1.9 M42 Reply with quote
Hi everybody

Some time ago, I bought this lens, screwed on KW Praktica. So, today was time to test it on 5D (infinity not possible yet).

First of all, here is the lens :

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I don't know which version is it, but I saw other M42 Primoplan looking a bit different (like this one : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360411148765 ). Maybe it's earlier or later version, I dunno. There is no "made in germany" on mine.


Nevertheless, here are some sample, without PP exepted slight exposure correction. 3,4,5 are wide open (looks like it's vignetting a bit) :


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
A very early one by its serial number, uncoated I woudl guess. A nice lens rendering is quite unique.


PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think it's coated (blue). But I love the rendering.
SN : 1132006, but I dunno their SN system.


PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Made 1951 in a batch of 600 lenses. Coated, you're correct.


PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Old meyer lens, lovely.

If you need or like it style, very nice to use.


PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
kds315* wrote:
Made 1951 in a batch of 600 lenses. Coated, you're correct.


Thanks for info, I'm always glad to know a bit of "history" of my lenses Smile . That's partialy why I love old lenses.


PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
BurstMox wrote:
kds315* wrote:
Made 1951 in a batch of 600 lenses. Coated, you're correct.


Thanks for info, I'm always glad to know a bit of "history" of my lenses Smile . That's partialy why I love old lenses.


hello i have also one , his number 1505403 can somebody tell me a bit of its history?
thanks


PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nice lens! I really like the picture of the dog! Great swirly bokeh!


PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Congrats! Probably fetch high price if you not willing to keep it sell it, I had a pre-war went above 900 USD.


PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have been lusting for this lens, but prices have been very high.


PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't think I will sell such lens, I love it. Also, I'm not used to sell my lenses, I don't have merchant spirit. The only lenses I sold were some Helios 44-2 (that I bought for test) and Jupiter-12, that was not usable on digital cam.
I bought this Primoplan for 140 euros mounted on an early KW Pratkica (first version) from 1951 (that I will certainly sell, I'm not camera fan, only lens).


PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
Congrats! Probably fetch high price if you not willing to keep it sell it, I had a pre-war went above 900 USD.


i'll probably sell mine but i don't think the price will be so high


PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
woodrim wrote:
I have been lusting for this lens, but prices have been very high.



Look for those old prakticas as BUrstMox did, I got mine just a few weeks ago for 9.99 USD attached to an old praktica, the lens didn't have nameplate, that is why it went so low and I was the only bidder but still attached to camera the price is much lower than the 250-350 Euros is reaching the lens alone.


PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I bought mine for less than $60 together with other lenses. You will find one finally with a bit of luck and patience.


PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
inombrable wrote:
I got mine just a few weeks ago for 9.99 USD attached to an old praktica

inombrable wrote:
I got mine just a few weeks ago for 9.99 USD attached to an old praktica


Arrrghhhhhh.


PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
most common post war lens price go around 200 USD.


PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
No offense meant to lovers of this lens, but I've never really understood the attraction to them, even as a meyer fan.
I get that the rendering is interesting, but it's not interesting in a beautiful way such as with the Biotar or some other contemporary designs. I'd think the best reason for having one is to have an oddball lens for your old Praktica or Exakta.


PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
As they say about beauty being in the eye of the beholder, that is how I see it. For me, and although I am not a proponent of always using full open aperture, this lens is one where I'd probably only use it wide open or very near that. AND only for certain pictures where the subject or background is conducive to the effects I'm seeking. I'm not crazy about the bokeh of the dog shot, but I do like the first duck bokeh. This lens will provide many failed images with a few every now and then that hit the mark. Very much a specialty lens and not an all purpose lens in my mind. I have no need for another lens in that focal length unless it does something unique, and this one does.


PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mos6502 wrote:
No offense meant to lovers of this lens, but I've never really understood the attraction to them, even as a meyer fan.
I get that the rendering is interesting, but it's not interesting in a beautiful way such as with the Biotar or some other contemporary designs. I'd think the best reason for having one is to have an oddball lens for your old Praktica or Exakta.


Key is Asia and bokeh hilights, Asian people handle these lenses 100X better usually than Europeans or Americans a few exception apply of course. Asian people have different interest about lenses, worth to look and follow them , they have different visual imagination. I saw a few outstanding examples how people can master to use this lens on Facebook.


PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fujinon 2.2/55 - M42 by praktinafan, on Flickr


Primoplan 1:1,9/58 by alf sigaro, on Flickr

Interesting. Surprised

I've always thought there was a slight family resemblance when used wide open. Somebody should do a head to head comparison.


PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Seem more different than similar.


PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
woodrim wrote:
Seem more different than similar.


They might be. I had heard that the Primoplan was based off the ernostar type, but it seems the Fujinon has more in common with the ernostar than the Primoplan. Both however are developments of the triplet rather than double gauss derivatives, so relatively speaking they have more in common with each other than they do with most other fast normals.


FUJINON f=55mm 1:2.2 by DHIPAYAZANYA MESPOEDOK, on Flickr


PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Indeed the samples of this fuji lens are different from the Primoplan rendering.
The highlight feel more harsh and missing the smoothness of the Primoplan.
It's a completely different lens in terms of picture rendering.


PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I owned an X-Fujinon 2.2/55, as std says, renders nothing like the Primoplan or Biotar. I always thought the 2.2/55 was a tessar as it renders like one, with the same type of busy bokeh.


PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's a very unique lens the Primoplan...







... very impressionistic.
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