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Volunteer
Joined: 16 Mar 2011 Posts: 74 Location: Zagreb, Croatia
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:03 am Post subject: Pallas Auto Wide 35mm f2.8 |
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Volunteer wrote:
I saw this lens mounted on Zenit E and can't find much info on it. Do you know anything about it?
What I was able to find is that it's the same kind as Soligor and Miranda but can't find anyone's experience with the 35mm. |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:49 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
You'd need to post a picture as it will be made by someone else and then rebranded. _________________ Graham - Moderator
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Volunteer
Joined: 16 Mar 2011 Posts: 74 Location: Zagreb, Croatia
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:57 am Post subject: |
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Volunteer wrote:
It's for sale together with the Zenit, so I don't have the photo of lens only.
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Minolfan
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 3438 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
I remember the brand as one of the offers with lowest prices. I don't reckon any advantage except the price. Little chance that they are above average. |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7788 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I think Pallas is a store brand rather than a manufacturer. I have a Super Travenar lens that is identical to about 7 or 8 other named lenses, and Pallas is one of those names.
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MartinJan
Joined: 11 Feb 2012 Posts: 15 Location: Holland (Dutch)
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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MartinJan wrote:
Perhaps you can look @ Here
reg. _________________ Sony α200 Meike BP-S350PRO, KM5D (Glass, SA DT1870SAL AF, MD Tokina SZ-X270SD,MCAuto Prinz Var-I-Rim 3x converter, Listar Auto 2x convertor, Adaptal II Pallas 500/8, M42 Pallas MagentaAM 200/3,5, 135/2.8, 35/2.8, 28/2.8,Prinz Galaxy2x converter, SMA Minolta 28/2.8 AF, 50/1.7 AF, 35-70/4 AF, 70-210/4 AF), SamSung Digimax A402 TrustPCF350FS, HP Photosmart 215, 35mm Minolta 5000 60!, Metz45CT1, M42/SMA, AdaptalII/SMA, MD/SMA)
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3704 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
I think Pallas is a store brand rather than a manufacturer. I have a Super Travenar lens that is identical to about 7 or 8 other named lenses, and Pallas is one of those names.
Discovering the true identity is just about impossible. |
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MartinJan
Joined: 11 Feb 2012 Posts: 15 Location: Holland (Dutch)
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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MartinJan wrote:
Pancolart wrote: |
Lloydy wrote: |
I think Pallas is a store brand rather than a manufacturer. I have a Super Travenar lens that is identical to about 7 or 8 other named lenses, and Pallas is one of those names.
Discovering the true identity is just about impossible. |
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I agree, so as the SOLIGOR TM the lenses are manufactured by deverend factories, such as Tokina and Sun, and are of very good quality.
reg _________________ Sony α200 Meike BP-S350PRO, KM5D (Glass, SA DT1870SAL AF, MD Tokina SZ-X270SD,MCAuto Prinz Var-I-Rim 3x converter, Listar Auto 2x convertor, Adaptal II Pallas 500/8, M42 Pallas MagentaAM 200/3,5, 135/2.8, 35/2.8, 28/2.8,Prinz Galaxy2x converter, SMA Minolta 28/2.8 AF, 50/1.7 AF, 35-70/4 AF, 70-210/4 AF), SamSung Digimax A402 TrustPCF350FS, HP Photosmart 215, 35mm Minolta 5000 60!, Metz45CT1, M42/SMA, AdaptalII/SMA, MD/SMA)
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7788 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
This Pallas 28mm is the same as the Super Travenar 28 that's doing the rounds on the 'cheap lens challenge' _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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MartinJan
Joined: 11 Feb 2012 Posts: 15 Location: Holland (Dutch)
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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MartinJan wrote:
Did not see that one yet, mine collection with the 3 Magenta AM series M42 the 500 is Very rear (Tamron AdaptallII)
Left to right;
Adaptal II Pallas 500/8, M42 Pallas Magenta AM 200/3.5, Pallas Magenta AM 135/2.8, Pallas Magenta AM 28/2.8
reg. _________________ Sony α200 Meike BP-S350PRO, KM5D (Glass, SA DT1870SAL AF, MD Tokina SZ-X270SD,MCAuto Prinz Var-I-Rim 3x converter, Listar Auto 2x convertor, Adaptal II Pallas 500/8, M42 Pallas MagentaAM 200/3,5, 135/2.8, 35/2.8, 28/2.8,Prinz Galaxy2x converter, SMA Minolta 28/2.8 AF, 50/1.7 AF, 35-70/4 AF, 70-210/4 AF), SamSung Digimax A402 TrustPCF350FS, HP Photosmart 215, 35mm Minolta 5000 60!, Metz45CT1, M42/SMA, AdaptalII/SMA, MD/SMA)
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MartinJan
Joined: 11 Feb 2012 Posts: 15 Location: Holland (Dutch)
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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MartinJan wrote:
Next week I have one
Wil post my review and some photo's
reg _________________ Sony α200 Meike BP-S350PRO, KM5D (Glass, SA DT1870SAL AF, MD Tokina SZ-X270SD,MCAuto Prinz Var-I-Rim 3x converter, Listar Auto 2x convertor, Adaptal II Pallas 500/8, M42 Pallas MagentaAM 200/3,5, 135/2.8, 35/2.8, 28/2.8,Prinz Galaxy2x converter, SMA Minolta 28/2.8 AF, 50/1.7 AF, 35-70/4 AF, 70-210/4 AF), SamSung Digimax A402 TrustPCF350FS, HP Photosmart 215, 35mm Minolta 5000 60!, Metz45CT1, M42/SMA, AdaptalII/SMA, MD/SMA)
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3704 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
I think this is the same lens: http://forum.mflenses.com/universon-35mm-f2-8-t45626.html _________________ ---------------------------------
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MartinJan
Joined: 11 Feb 2012 Posts: 15 Location: Holland (Dutch)
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:55 am Post subject: |
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MartinJan wrote:
I don't know this brand at all, what I do know is, Miranda order to manufacture diferent store brands such as Pallas TM en Soligor TM.
The Pallas (TM) Magenta 35/2.8 is a Miranda store brand, the lens is original disigned by Miranda and manufactured by Tokina
Here is the first Photo I made,
Used on my Sony α 200 f5.6 ISO 200 1/100
If you are interested in more Pallas glass, pleas visit us
you can find a photo an discription of the Pallas Magenta AM 35mm 2.8 Auto M42 lens
Reg. _________________ Sony α200 Meike BP-S350PRO, KM5D (Glass, SA DT1870SAL AF, MD Tokina SZ-X270SD,MCAuto Prinz Var-I-Rim 3x converter, Listar Auto 2x convertor, Adaptal II Pallas 500/8, M42 Pallas MagentaAM 200/3,5, 135/2.8, 35/2.8, 28/2.8,Prinz Galaxy2x converter, SMA Minolta 28/2.8 AF, 50/1.7 AF, 35-70/4 AF, 70-210/4 AF), SamSung Digimax A402 TrustPCF350FS, HP Photosmart 215, 35mm Minolta 5000 60!, Metz45CT1, M42/SMA, AdaptalII/SMA, MD/SMA)
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5038 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:09 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
MartinJan wrote: |
Adaptal II Pallas 500/8 |
What is this lens?
Can we see more about it in a separate topic? _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
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MartinJan
Joined: 11 Feb 2012 Posts: 15 Location: Holland (Dutch)
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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MartinJan wrote:
kansalliskala wrote: |
MartinJan wrote: |
Adaptal II Pallas 500/8 |
What is this lens?
Can we see more about it in a separate topic? |
There is not mutch more to tell that this "Miranda TM" store brand is in order manufactered by Sun and appeared in the Cannon FD, Tamron Ataptal II and M42 mount.
See the photo below
Reg. _________________ Sony α200 Meike BP-S350PRO, KM5D (Glass, SA DT1870SAL AF, MD Tokina SZ-X270SD,MCAuto Prinz Var-I-Rim 3x converter, Listar Auto 2x convertor, Adaptal II Pallas 500/8, M42 Pallas MagentaAM 200/3,5, 135/2.8, 35/2.8, 28/2.8,Prinz Galaxy2x converter, SMA Minolta 28/2.8 AF, 50/1.7 AF, 35-70/4 AF, 70-210/4 AF), SamSung Digimax A402 TrustPCF350FS, HP Photosmart 215, 35mm Minolta 5000 60!, Metz45CT1, M42/SMA, AdaptalII/SMA, MD/SMA)
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Are you sure these are originally Mirandas? They don't look anything like my Mirandas:
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MartinJan
Joined: 11 Feb 2012 Posts: 15 Location: Holland (Dutch)
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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MartinJan wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Are you sure these are originally Mirandas? They don't look anything like my Mirandas:
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YES!
see my research @ flickr klik here
and here for some photos, some look realy like those you have
reg. _________________ Sony α200 Meike BP-S350PRO, KM5D (Glass, SA DT1870SAL AF, MD Tokina SZ-X270SD,MCAuto Prinz Var-I-Rim 3x converter, Listar Auto 2x convertor, Adaptal II Pallas 500/8, M42 Pallas MagentaAM 200/3,5, 135/2.8, 35/2.8, 28/2.8,Prinz Galaxy2x converter, SMA Minolta 28/2.8 AF, 50/1.7 AF, 35-70/4 AF, 70-210/4 AF), SamSung Digimax A402 TrustPCF350FS, HP Photosmart 215, 35mm Minolta 5000 60!, Metz45CT1, M42/SMA, AdaptalII/SMA, MD/SMA)
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Ooh yes, this one looks just like my Miranda 1.8/50:
I like Miranda lenses, I have 2.8/28, 2.8/50, 1.4/50, 1.8/50, 2.8/100 and 3.5/135 of the same series as well as an earlier 1.9/50 and a 200mm that's either a Sun or Fujita, Sun I think.
I've only really used the 2.8/28, 1.4/50 and 2.8/100 enough to gain a good impression, they are pretty good, not upto the standards of the Topcon RE Autos or Konishiroku Hexanons of the same vintage but probably similar to Nikkors and Takumars. Build quality is outstanding, easily as nice in feel and build as the Takumars.
They aren't very common, the 1.8/50 is probably the most often seen, although there are loads of Soligor badged ones I strongly suspect are Mirandas as they look the same. I often wonder if all the chrome ear Soligors are Mirandas as the chrome ears are found on Miranda lenses. The 135 and 200mm chrome ear Soligors are widely regarded as very good lenses so it wouldn't surprised me if they are Mirandas. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7788 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I've got three chrome ear Soligors, and as far as I can tell one is a Tokina 135mm, another a Sun 200mm and the third is a 35mm bag of shite !
But Miranda and Soligor are very often talked about as being closely linked ?
EDIT - I've just discovered I have four, details in next post. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
I've got three chrome ear Soligors, and as far as I can tell one is a Tokina 135mm, another a Sun 200mm and the third is a 35mm bag of shite !
But Miranda and Soligor are very often talked about as being closely linked ? |
Yes, it's confusing, the Soligor 135 and 200 look exactly the same as the Miranda ones, Allied Impex owned both companies but I don't know whether this means both Soligor and Miranda 135 and 200 are made by Miranda or if they are bought in from another company.
Miranda E 2.8/135:
Miranda E 3.5/200:
Soligor 2.8/135:
Miranda 3.5/200:
To me, too similar to not be closely related.
On the 35mm Miranda, there are two versions of the E chrome ears 35mm, one is unusually large, the other is normal sized for a 35mm. Could you post a picture of yours David, see if it resembles the Miranda? _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7788 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
This one is not good.......
This 35 f3.5 is Kino according to the '9' serial number.
My 135 f2.8 and 200 f4.5 are exactly the same as your Miranda, but the 135has a 'M' before the serial number - maybe to denote Miranda sourced ? But - from the big Soligor thread I think it's Tokina. Both start wit '1'
My 300 f5.5 is the same style but from the serial numbers is a Sun lens - serial number starts with '3'
I shall give the 35 another chance to redeem itself tomorrow. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
That's a shame, it does have the chrome ears like a Miranda but doesn't look like the Miranda 2.8/35:
This is the larger sized Miranda 2.8/35, the mirandacamera.com site lists it as 6 elements in 5 groups, but I suspect that is the formula of the smaller one and the larger one had more glass:
The Miranda 2.8/28 is really good and has 8 elements in 7 groups, it looks like the smaller 2.8/35:
Couple of HDRs I shot with my copy of the Miranda 2.8/28:
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MartinJan
Joined: 11 Feb 2012 Posts: 15 Location: Holland (Dutch)
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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MartinJan wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
I've got three chrome ear Soligors, and as far as I can tell one is a Tokina 135mm, another a Sun 200mm and the third is a 35mm bag of shite !
But Miranda and Soligor are very often talked about as being closely linked ?
EDIT - I've just discovered I have four, details in next post. |
YES!
It is possible to have a different built lens, not al the Pallas and Soligor are confirmed to be buil by Sun or Tokina, even in that time, there where wery bad replications of the original, sold as original.
The same with brand replication or copy, now days comes out of china,.....so who can tel,...
Mine pallas 35/2.8 is exellent! produce as the same quality as I was accustomed from the Pallas 28/2.8
Reg _________________ Sony α200 Meike BP-S350PRO, KM5D (Glass, SA DT1870SAL AF, MD Tokina SZ-X270SD,MCAuto Prinz Var-I-Rim 3x converter, Listar Auto 2x convertor, Adaptal II Pallas 500/8, M42 Pallas MagentaAM 200/3,5, 135/2.8, 35/2.8, 28/2.8,Prinz Galaxy2x converter, SMA Minolta 28/2.8 AF, 50/1.7 AF, 35-70/4 AF, 70-210/4 AF), SamSung Digimax A402 TrustPCF350FS, HP Photosmart 215, 35mm Minolta 5000 60!, Metz45CT1, M42/SMA, AdaptalII/SMA, MD/SMA)
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I often wondered if Miranda made their own lenses of it they bought them in from makes like Sun and Tokina. My 200mm Miranda looks like a Sun. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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dimitrygo
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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dimitrygo wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
This 35 f3.5 is Kino according to the '9' serial number.
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I've written at that Soligor thread that 9 is probably Kobori. There are at least 2 Soligor zooms - 35-70mm F2.5/3.5 and 70-160mm F3.5 - that are made by Kobori and sold also uder their own brand Tefnon. Both these zooms have s/n that starts with 9. |
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