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vincent0924
Joined: 24 May 2013 Posts: 5
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 1:49 pm Post subject: Advice for purchasing a wide angle MF lens |
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vincent0924 wrote:
Hello Everyone!
First, I'm a beginner to MF lenses and also new in here so I would like to say a big hello to everyone here!
And English is not my first language, so please be patient.
Now I'm looking for a wide angle fast MF lens which can be mounted on my Nex-5N as well as my EOS 50D. I plan to mainly use this wide angle lens to shoot some video indoors with Nex-5N, and if it can also be mounted on the EOS body with glass-less adapter ring it will be great.
Cost is a big issue for me so I would like to find something cheap but with good performance. Maybe below 100 usd is a good starting point for me.
Now I have Sony E18-55 kit lens, EF 18-55 kit lens and EF 50 1.8 prime lens. My problem with the Sony kit lens is that this lens has a very long turn-around distance on the focus ring, I mean it's difficult to rock focus when shooting video. So I want to find a MF prime lens that has moderate rotation degree of the focus ring. And in my mind prime lens would also produce better image quality than the Sony kit lens.
Since Nex-5N and EOS 50D are both crop sensor cameras, so I want to find a 24-30mm range prime lens for indoor use. Otherwise I think it either would cause too much perspective distortion or is too long to use indoors with a crop sensor. I thinks 28mm is a good focus length to fit my needs.
Base on the above requirements I found the following lenses.
Olympus Zuiko OM 28mm f2.8
Vivitar 28mm f2.8 and 28mm f2.0
Pentacon PRAKTICAR 28mm f2.8
Pentax M28mm f2.8
MEYER-OPTIK 28mm f2.8
Super/SMC takumar 28mm f3.5
However, I know very little about these lenses. For example how long will the focus ring turn; how about the image quality compared to each other; etc.
Can You give me some advice on these lenses?
And if you have other recommendations, it will be even better.
Thanks a lot in advance! |
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3704 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Hi Vincent!
You might want to use forum's Search option. You'll see there are many topics already covering your question. Besides you can Flickr, Picasa or Google Image search for specific lens and compare photos to get broader perspective on those all-fine lenses counted. _________________ ---------------------------------
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Aanything
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 2187 Location: Piacenza, Italy
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
All the ones you cited are fine, I'd add to the bunch the RMC Tokina 2.8/28, which is really good and can be had for way less than your budget limit.
That said, searching for samples is definitely the best way to make your own idea, since there are so many cheap and decent 28's that you'll end up with a lot of reccomendations for a lot of different lenses. _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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buerokratiehasser
Joined: 12 Jun 2011 Posts: 470
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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buerokratiehasser wrote:
I am not sure your idea is that great.
You cannot pay for any serious 35mm UWW so the 18mm is your best bet already.
For iq,
Sigma Super wide 24,
Sigma (or rebrand) 24-70 but the right one (the UC supposedly designed by uh.. another famous manufacturer)
There is also Soligor/Vivitar/whatever 19-35 but I don*t know about its iq. I seem to think people buy this one for the comparatively cheap 19mm at full frame - which you dont need.
Don't know about focus lengths. Most of these analogue lenses feature medium to long focus distances since people are supposed to fine-focus manually with them. Do you even need this or would af cam just do what you want? |
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new_berlin
Joined: 27 Mar 2011 Posts: 37
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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new_berlin wrote:
I am familiar with the super and smc takumar 28mm f3.5, and also the pentax takumar bayonet 28mm f2.8. The super multi coated (smc)lens is superb -- sharp and excellent color reproduction across the entire APSC-frame. If your camera can shoot high isos well, the lens speed (f3.5 versus f2. won't matter at all. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Aanything wrote: |
All the ones you cited are fine, I'd add to the bunch the RMC Tokina 2.8/28, which is really good and can be had for way less than your budget limit.
That said, searching for samples is definitely the best way to make your own idea, since there are so many cheap and decent 28's that you'll end up with a lot of reccomendations for a lot of different lenses. |
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Attila
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
If money is matter really look Prakticar , Konica, Minolta they often go for very little money and especially Konica is very good. _________________ -------------------------------
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philslizzy
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 4744 Location: Cheshire, England
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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philslizzy wrote:
With wides the focus throw can be quite long. If you plan on focusing when taking video it may be worth making a lever of some sort to go round the focusing ring. I use one when taking video with my Nikon DSLR, it smooths the focus, less jerky. (One on the zoom too.) _________________ Hero in the 'messin-with-cameras-for-the-hell-of-it department'. Official. |
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buerokratiehasser
Joined: 12 Jun 2011 Posts: 470
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Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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buerokratiehasser wrote:
Correction, Sigma 28-70 (the right one) of course |
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Lightshow
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Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
I can recommend the Zuiko OM 24/2.8 and 28/2.8 (the multicoated versions) as there are both good lenses, I really like the OM 21/3.5 on my NEX-7, as I do prefer the look of wide angle lenses, the focus throw on the OM's is not that much, and they are very compact. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
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vincent0924
Joined: 24 May 2013 Posts: 5
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:19 am Post subject: |
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vincent0924 wrote:
Pancolart wrote: |
Hi Vincent!
You might want to use forum's Search option. You'll see there are many topics already covering your question. Besides you can Flickr, Picasa or Google Image search for specific lens and compare photos to get broader perspective on those all-fine lenses counted. |
Hi Pancolart, Thanks for you advice. I do searched some lens reviews in google and yes Flickr is really a good place for searching images.
I posted this question here and thought talking with you guys are also fun! |
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vincent0924
Joined: 24 May 2013 Posts: 5
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:22 am Post subject: |
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vincent0924 wrote:
Aanything wrote: |
All the ones you cited are fine, I'd add to the bunch the RMC Tokina 2.8/28, which is really good and can be had for way less than your budget limit.
That said, searching for samples is definitely the best way to make your own idea, since there are so many cheap and decent 28's that you'll end up with a lot of reccomendations for a lot of different lenses. |
Hi Aanything, I have made some searches on RMC Tokina 2.8/28 and the results made me cannot wait to go for it considering the low price and good performance. Thanks for the great recommendation! |
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vincent0924
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:26 am Post subject: |
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vincent0924 wrote:
buerokratiehasser wrote: |
I am not sure your idea is that great.
You cannot pay for any serious 35mm UWW so the 18mm is your best bet already.
For iq,
Sigma Super wide 24,
Sigma (or rebrand) 24-70 but the right one (the UC supposedly designed by uh.. another famous manufacturer)
There is also Soligor/Vivitar/whatever 19-35 but I don*t know about its iq. I seem to think people buy this one for the comparatively cheap 19mm at full frame - which you dont need.
Don't know about focus lengths. Most of these analogue lenses feature medium to long focus distances since people are supposed to fine-focus manually with them. Do you even need this or would af cam just do what you want? |
Hi buerokratiehasser, did you mean Sigma Super wide 2.8/24 and Sigma 28-70 F2.8-4? I'm not sure but it seems these two lenses are both AF lenses and don't have aperture rings. I want to manually control the lens in video because the AF motor will search for focus back and forth which makes the video look not smooth. |
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vincent0924
Joined: 24 May 2013 Posts: 5
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:28 am Post subject: |
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vincent0924 wrote:
new_berlin wrote: |
I am familiar with the super and smc takumar 28mm f3.5, and also the pentax takumar bayonet 28mm f2.8. The super multi coated (smc)lens is superb -- sharp and excellent color reproduction across the entire APSC-frame. If your camera can shoot high isos well, the lens speed (f3.5 versus f2. won't matter at all. |
Hi new_berlin, I’ve also heard a lot of good feedback on SMC Takumar 3.5/28. Now there is an auction in the local web store. If the price is ok I will try to get it to have a try. |
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buerokratiehasser
Joined: 12 Jun 2011 Posts: 470
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:37 am Post subject: |
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buerokratiehasser wrote:
I meant the 28-70 3.5-4.5 UC that was said to be sold as Leica Vari. Of course, better glass selection with that one. And with the plethora of 28-70 Sigma sold, you can never be sure.
Both lenses came for a variety of AF and non-AF mounts - eh wait a minute, are you telling me you can't MF with an AF lens? Not that it matters, the AF versions are usually more expensive.
Also, I still think you will spend quite some money on a too long lens. |
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buerokratiehasser
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 7:17 am Post subject: |
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buerokratiehasser wrote:
FWIW (my eulogy will probably have "Gave 9001 advice and wiki fixes" as accomplishment #1)
My exakta (relabel very very probably) UC has a focus throw of about 120° from inf to 0.5 m. That's one slick wrist turn. It's HIGH SPEED AF!!! you see. Yeah yeah this also seems to miss focus on a lot of AF shots.
I still think it's not a bright idea, (it is said to have distortion at 28 so maybe it will be even longer)
but these lenses can be had cheap some times, because they look like some standard yeahwhatever and the UC lenses are generally hated. Of course if a seller writes Leica on it it's over, but "Exakta 28-70 i found in uncle's cabinet and i has no clue" doesn't draw too much attention. |
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