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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:42 pm    Post subject: Some prints [PRINT] Reply with quote
A few results with my printing session of yesterday. I am not sure if scanning a print to show it online makes any sense at all
(the subtle tonality gets off, and the sharpness of the print vanishes)... but anyway.
All prints are 18x24 cms:

#1 STREET SCENE IN BOLOGNA
The negative is Efke 50 developed with Ornano Gradual ST 20
The print is on Ilford Multigrade RC4 paper, developed with Ornano Bromor ST 50 (2 minutes), 8 seconds exposure with EL-Nikkor 2.8/50 set to f/5.6, contrast filter 1,5:




#2 BOLOGNA, PIAZZA 8 AGOSTO
The negative is Efke 50 developed with Ornano Gradual ST 20
The print is on Ilford Multigrade RC4 paper, developed with Ornano Bromor ST 50 (2 minutes), 6,5 seconds exposure with EL-Nikkor 2.8/50 set to f/5.6, contrast filter 2:




#3 CAMILLA ROSATELLO AND BELINDA BENCIC BEFORE THE FINAL OF SALSOMAGGIORE TENNIS TOURNAMENT, 2012
The negative is Arista Premium 400 (courtesy of Bill) developed with Ornano Gradual ST 20
The print is on Ilford Multigrade RC4 paper, developed with Ornano Bromor ST 50 (2 minutes), 7 seconds exposure with EL-Nikkor 2.8/50 set to f/5.6, contrast filter 2,5:



if you are curious to compare this last photo with the scan I made in May, look here:
http://forum.mflenses.com/arista-pro-400-ornano-gradual-st-20-t49773.html
It shows how much there is to gain from a well made print compared to even a good scan.

My impressions in short:

- I am amazed by the quantity of detail that is recorded by the Efke 50 film! Surprised Even from a small print, I can tell a lot of details.

- The Arista 400 Premium film was so sweet to print! Modelable like clay. I think that film is killed by the Rodinal (as most people does it).
The Gradual developer brought out tons of nuances and gradations (as it's name implies). It's too bad that this film is sold only in the USA.
Buying from here would make the cost unreasonable.

- It was quite some time that I didn't print. I almost forgot how fun it is! Not going to wait so long for next time.


PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The tonality is indeed amazing from what I can see - the original must be so much better still!!
Congrats Orio! I miss my time in the darkroom, many years ago...


PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
They look great. The original prints must look stunning!


PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
They look perfect!
I didn't work wet for 10 years now, I think. And I have no opportunity to improvise a darkroom now.
But I will do ASAP, you work reminds me to better times.


PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cheers guys! It is so much fun, it could be illegal Very Happy
Another one from yesterday:

#4 - BEFORE THE FINAL

The negative is Arista Premium 400 (courtesy of Bill) developed with Ornano Gradual ST 20
The print is on Ilford Multigrade RC4 paper, developed with Ornano Bromor ST 50 (2 minutes), 7 seconds exposure with EL-Nikkor 2.8/50 set to f/5.6, contrast filter 2,5:


PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
amazing difference, seems that your scanner is not the best to get all the negative dynamic range


PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
poilu wrote:
amazing difference, seems that your scanner is not the best to get all the negative dynamic range


Only a drum scanner can rival the dynamic range that a good analogue print can offer.


PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
poilu wrote:
amazing difference, seems that your scanner is not the best to get all the negative dynamic range


Too much contrast in the negatives scanned. See to poles, clothes etc #3.


PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
kansalliskala wrote:

Too much contrast in the negatives scanned.


Yes.
I didn't have the Reflecta scanner yet, when I scanned those.
I used Epson 4490 Photo, which is a good scanner for flat documents, but not really for transparent film.


PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ouch, poor us that have to hobble along with the lowly Epson 4490. Laughing

Looks good, Orio!


PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Good work!
Although you should use destilled water or some kind of washing/wetting agent to prevent chalk for final wash (#3 suffers a bit from it)

Orio wrote:
Cheers guys! It is so much fun, it could be illegal Very Happy

In Germany a few darkroom chemicals are already illegal (all dichromates and permanganates) Very Happy

I have a license to buy and sell these chemicals but anyway it's very hard to find one who wants to sell it to a private Sad

I hope metol, phenidon, hydrochinon and co are staying legal

Was the paper still slightly wet when scanning? Wink (First pic, upper left corner


PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
ForenSeil wrote:
Good work!
Although you should use destilled water or some kind of washing/wetting agent to prevent chalk for final wash (#3 suffers a bit from it)


I use distilled water in all the baths, of course I can not use it for washing, because the prints need 20 minutes of running water.
It may however be also dust on the negative (I use a condenser enlarger, so every little grain of dust shows up). On the other hand,
I get a detail that colour heads simply can not achieve...

ForenSeil wrote:
Was the paper still slightly wet when scanning? Wink (First pic, upper left corner


It's actually Newton rings, and it's on the prints, I need to figure out how it can happen
(the enlarger uses anti-newton glass frame holders)
Any idea how it can happen?


PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
ForenSeil wrote:
Good work!
Although you should use destilled water or some kind of washing/wetting agent to prevent chalk for final wash (#3 suffers a bit from it)


I use distilled water in all the baths, of course I can not use it for washing, because the prints need 20 minutes of running water.
It may however be also dust on the negative (I use a condenser enlarger, so every little grain of dust shows up). On the other hand,
I get a detail that colour heads simply can not achieve...


You only have to pull it once through (/dive it a few seconds in) destilled after your washing with tap water. Tap water removes chemicals and destilled water removes tap water
You only need a few hundred milliliter
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ForenSeil wrote:
Was the paper still slightly wet when scanning? Wink (First pic, upper left corner


It's actually Newton rings, and it's on the prints, I need to figure out how it can happen
(the enlarger uses anti-newton glass frame holders)
Any idea how it can happen?


Hmm that's weird! Shocked Was the negative maybe still a little wet and/or sticked it to the glass in your enlarger? (Maybe wet hands while clamping the negative in the holder?)


PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
ForenSeil wrote:

Hmm that's weird! Shocked Was the negative maybe still a little wet and/or sticked it to the glass in your enlarger? (Maybe wet hands while clamping the negative in the holder?)


No, it was months old...
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