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PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:03 pm    Post subject: Anyone tried Snapseed from Nik Software before? Reply with quote
http://www.snapseed.com/ Confused

http://edkphoto.wordpress.com/2012/01/14/snapseed-desktop-tutorial-part-1-interface/


PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have the ipad version, its ok nothing special wouldn't pay £14 for the MAC version i can do all these effects with aperture presets that are free


PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Crikey, looks like software even I could use Very Happy

...if only it were available on any of my platforms Sad


PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think it is very good if you have an iPAD.


PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
incredible, pic was dirty like hell and snapseed clean it! Shocked

before

after


PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
poilu wrote:
incredible, pic was dirty like hell and snapseed clean it! Shocked

before

after


Very funny!! Laughing Laughing


PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I use it on iPhone 4s.
It has potential. More so than anything else on mobile.
Setting control points is cool.
The "grunge" setting only works correctly in Greece. Wink


PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Free trial:
http://www.niksoftware.com/site/


PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just tried this SW. I do like it, but it absolutely killed my PC (Dell Dimensions 5000), so I uninstalled it immediately. Crying or Very sad


PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I tried it, only problem : it doesn't resize the final pic
I feel like an artist now Cool
I just hope Ian doesn't read this post


PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
That photo looks scary!! Laughing

How do you like the SW so far?


PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
there is already a lot of photographers, including those who write themselves with capital P "Photographer"
who have posted photos made with this cheap trick
and a lot of people bought it for a real creative effort and praised pages on Facebook
where is the dignity anymore?
License should be revoked from those who use this trick without informing the viewers
Well, on the other hand, it won't take too long until all the viewers will know it's an iPhone trick.
Still it's very sad how people is unable to be creative on their own and resort to these desperate means in order to appear "artists".
It makes me think of people who use Viagra at 20 years of age.
The whole thing is very sad.
Long live unadulterated, uncompromised photography that use no shortcut and no "magic keys"
Long live photographers who put their knowledge and efforts into taking good photographs from the start
and try to take the most out of reality and the photography means.

Oh by the way, it takes one minute in Photoshop to do the same cheap trick using layers
So even more shame on those "Photographers" who are using the iPhone trick now
#1 shame because they use the cheap trick and not tell
#2 shame because by doing so they prove that they do not know Photoshop, either.
Rolling Eyes


PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
....It makes me think of people who use Viagra at 20 years of age.
The whole thing is very sad....



Indeed. Laughing


PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:

#2 shame because by doing so they prove that they do not know Photoshop, either.


To be fair, Photoshop is an expensive piece of software so I think it would be much sadder if someone went and bought Photoshop just to do cheap effects with it. (And similarly a positive sign if people support small software developers rather than pirate Photoshop for doing this.)


Edit: Disclaimer: I do actually use these cheap trick photo utilities on my iPhone, including adding fake and intentionally cheesy film effects, “light leaks, “tilt & shift”, “dirty” textures, and all that. I think it's fun. Then again, I also own a legal copy of Photoshop CS5 extended and do not use it do any of these things.


PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
poilu wrote:
I just hope Ian doesn't read this post


Me? Don't worry, I hate Apple with a passion and would never own an iphone or ipad.

I hate mobile phones full stop, I very rarely use mine.


PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
there is already a lot of photographers, including those who write themselves with capital P "Photographer"
who have posted photos made with this cheap trick
and a lot of people bought it for a real creative effort and praised pages on Facebook
where is the dignity anymore?
License should be revoked from those who use this trick without informing the viewers
Well, on the other hand, it won't take too long until all the viewers will know it's an iPhone trick.
Still it's very sad how people is unable to be creative on their own and resort to these desperate means in order to appear "artists".
It makes me think of people who use Viagra at 20 years of age.
The whole thing is very sad.
Long live unadulterated, uncompromised photography that use no shortcut and no "magic keys"
Long live photographers who put their knowledge and efforts into taking good photographs from the start
and try to take the most out of reality and the photography means.

Oh by the way, it takes one minute in Photoshop to do the same cheap trick using layers
So even more shame on those "Photographers" who are using the iPhone trick now
#1 shame because they use the cheap trick and not tell
#2 shame because by doing so they prove that they do not know Photoshop, either.
Rolling Eyes


Orio, I concur with you from a "purist" point of view. However, to me it is just another tool in the "digital" tookit. This is all just part of of the process of creation. Unlike others, I always disclose the process of getting to the final image.

For anyone who wants to take the purist stand, I think they should stick with slide films and conventional film camera bodies. Until you got through this process, you don't really appreciate what you are missing.
Wink


PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
stingOM wrote:
How do you like the SW so far?

it is nice and cheap (15 euros from Nik who use to sell 200 euros plugins)
I try it with a 20Mpix pic, it was quite slow
it should work faster with a smaller pic
I think it is worth 15 euros, Nik Software use to make good soft

Ian wrote:
I hate Apple with a passion and would never own an iphone or ipad

it is 15 euros for the windows version

Orio wrote:
...

I am also for minimal editing


PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
poilu wrote:
stingOM wrote:
How do you like the SW so far?

it is nice and cheap (15 euros from Nik who use to sell 200 euros plugins)
I try it with a 20Mpix pic, it was quite slow
it should work faster with a smaller pic
I think it is worth 15 euros, Nik Software use to make good soft

Ian wrote:
I hate Apple with a passion and would never own an iphone or ipad

it is 15 euros for the windows version

Orio wrote:
...

I am also for minimal editing


Slow even on a (I presume) fast PC. That's disappointing.


PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
stingOM wrote:

Orio, I concur with you from a "purist" point of view. However, to me it is just another tool in the "digital" tookit. This is all just part of of the process of creation. Unlike others, I always disclose the process of getting to the final image.
For anyone who wants to take the purist stand, I think they should stick with slide films and conventional film camera bodies.


it's not a matter of purist stand. The other day I saw the facebook page of a photographer that I used to admire much.
He published photos of New York that he mingled with this software. I saw a couple of them and thought that they were creative, so I left him a note. He thanked but did not say about the trick. After, I found out about this application. And I saw the same, exact, identical texture map applied on about everybody else's photos published on facebook, twitter, etc... Then, I find the very same texture map on poilu's photos here.
So what? is that creativity?
Don't tell me about purism, please: I simply don't want to be screwed around. That's different!

By the way: I deleted the positive comment; now there's only the photographer's reply saying thanks to nobody, like an idiot.
I think that's a deserved amercement for him trying to fool me and everybody else on a creativity that he does not have.
That's the page:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.3100875793893.2143254.1024124786&type=1

You want to postwork your photos? That's fine, but do it your way!
Do not apply a preset that half the world applies and pretend that it's creativity!
Always be honest with the people who donate to you their time to watch your photographs.


PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
stingOM wrote:

Orio, I concur with you from a "purist" point of view. However, to me it is just another tool in the "digital" tookit. This is all just part of of the process of creation. Unlike others, I always disclose the process of getting to the final image.
For anyone who wants to take the purist stand, I think they should stick with slide films and conventional film camera bodies.


it's not a matter of purist stand. The other day I saw the facebook page of a photographer that I used to admire much.
He published photos of New York that he mingled with this software. I saw a couple of them and thought that they were creative, so I left him a note. He thanked but did not say about the trick. After, I found out about this application. And I saw the same, exact, identical texture map applied on about everybody else's photos published on facebook, twitter, etc... Then, I find the very same texture map on poilu's photos here.
So what? is that creativity?
Don't tell me about purism, please: I simply don't want to be screwed around. That's different!

By the way: I deleted the positive comment; now there's only the photographer's reply saying thanks to nobody, like an idiot.
I think that's a deserved amercement for him trying to fool me and everybody else on a creativity that he does not have.
That's the page:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.3100875793893.2143254.1024124786&type=1

You want to postwork your photos? That's fine, but do it your way!
Do not apply a preset that half the world applies and pretend that it's creativity!
Always be honest with the people who donate to you their time to watch your photographs.


I get your view point. This is never a problem with me as I always tell others what I did to get the final photo and whether it is totally creative or some PS applied.

I feel for you... I guess you could say Snapseed for for those lazy people who do not want to learn the craft (i.e., proper + creativity digital editing) properly.

On the other hand, what about Siver Efex Pro, is that cheating as well since you are using preset effects to emulate B&W films?


PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
stingOM wrote:

I get your view point. This is never a problem with me as I always tell others what I did to get the final photo and whether it is totally creative or some PS applied.
I feel for you... I guess you could say Snapseed for for those lazy people who do not want to learn the craft (i.e., proper + creativity digital editing) properly.
On the other hand, what about Siver Efex Pro, is that cheating as well since you are using preset effects to emulate B&W films?


I think it's a slightly different case.
The "aged" preset of Snapseed presents you with an "effected" photo that is supposed to be final. And that's how most people take it.
SEP offers conversions, which is a different thing from effect, it's more like a translation into another language, if you know what I mean: the content of the photo itself is not changed, not altered, not augmented as it happens with the Aged preset. It's the same photo content in a different language, like an English book that is translated into German.
But also SEP should be customized. That is how I use it when I use it (which is not always): I take a preset as a starting point, then I tailor the parameters to fit my photo precisely. I have found that no preset is ever perfect, depending on the photo, there is always something that can be tweaked or improved.


PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wait!

Snap seed is supposed to be for fun Very Happy

It's not a serious program for artists. It's like a Game app for iOs devices (and yes, other devices).
Sometimes photography is for expression and communication. Other times it's just for fun.

As to "Artists" misrepresenting "their" work. Well, that happens with so called art as product primarily.
As long as there are "customers" and consumers of this "art" there will be people producing it.
True art is not made for consumption it's made for expression.
I don't make art for a client... I take a photograph of them or their product, dog, kid etc.... It may come out artistic but it's not art.
Anything I think of as of art is sacred and does not involve anticipation of compensation. Not that it may not lead to such.

If I use snap seed it's just to jazz up a lazy Phone pic. Sometimes it comes out looking pretty fun.
Sometimes it just looks like another overcooked HDR piece of sh!t like the kind we see too much of.
The thing is, just because everyone can do it does not mean that a serious and competent photographer should exclude himself from the fun.
Ok, that is my opinion anyway.


PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yeah Orio I know what you mean and respect your perspectives on photography and visual editing.

Incidentally, I work in software localisation as a profession! Wink


PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
F16SUNSHINE wrote:

It's not a serious program for artists. It's like a Game app for iOs devices (and yes, other devices).
Sometimes photography is for expression and communication. Other times it's just for fun.

…

The thing is, just because everyone can do it does not mean that a serious and competent photographer should exclude himself from the fun.
Ok, that is my opinion anyway.


+1


PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have it on the ipad. It's easy to use but doesnt do anything special.

For the discussion part: i think its easy, you like a photo, or you dont. For me it doesnt matter how its made. That said, i myself dont really enjoy using those "tricks" but don't mind if others do.
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