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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:00 am    Post subject: Parma, former Padiglione delle Fiere - Efke 100 film Reply with quote
Parma, former Padiglione delle Fiere (today transformed into a theatre)
Zeiss Ikon, Efke 100 film developed in Ornano Gradual ST 20:

#1 Biogon 2/35 ZM



#2 Snapshot-Skopar 4/25



#3 Snapshot-Skopar 4/25



#4 testing the blur of Sonnar 1:2 f/8,5 cm



#5 Sonnar 1:2 f/8,5 cm



#6 runners with C Sonnar 1.5/50 ZM



#7 C Sonnar 1.5/50 ZM



#8 Biogon 2/35 ZM



Oh why, why the Fotokemica factory had to close...! I'll be lost without their films! Crying or Very sad

Last edited by Orio on Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:34 am; edited 2 times in total


PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Added other photos to first post.


PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
What era is that building? Looks 30's


patrickh


PS love the series


PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
patrickh wrote:
What era is that building? Looks 30's
patrickh
PS love the series


Yes, 30s. Interesting, isn't it? It's somehow a combination of Italian Rationalist style (the columns and fake square windows)
and American Streamline Modern style (the right wing) with the curved wall and oval fake windows.
I can't say it's "beautiful" (if for anything else, because it's misproportioned), but I think it has a charme of it's own.
It reminds me of De Chirico's paintings and the first photo of the series intended to pay hommage to that.

Idiot local administrators transformed it into a theatre in the 80s, destroying the inside in a horrible way (with concrete square columns).
In fact they also ruined a bit the entrance (which I did not photograph because it upsets me).


PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Very interesting piece of architecture ! Has a "something" wich brings a special kind of beauty .Or call it charm , if you want Wink But thank you for bringing it here for us !


PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Was this built by the facists? has that look about it.


PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
yinyangbt wrote:
Very interesting piece of architecture ! Has a "something" wich brings a special kind of beauty .Or call it charm , if you want Wink But thank you for bringing it here for us !


Thanks Teo!

maxcastle wrote:
Was this built by the facists? has that look about it.


It's not so simplistic. Fascism indeed adopted the Rationalist style for their monuments, because it was both modern and founded on classical roots,
but the rationalist architecture is not only a "fascist architecture". The reaction to the tinsels and frivolity of the Liberty style, and the adoption of amore sober style,
both in buildings and in interior design, was common all over the world in those years, albeit with local differences:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalism_%28architecture%29


PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
yinyangbt wrote:
Very interesting piece of architecture ! Has a "something" wich brings a special kind of beauty .Or call it charm , if you want Wink But thank you for bringing it here for us !


Thanks Teo!

maxcastle wrote:
Was this built by the facists? has that look about it.


It's not so simplistic. Fascism indeed adopted the Rationalist style for their monuments, because it was both modern and founded on classical roots,
but the rationalist architecture is not only a "fascist architecture". The reaction to the tinsels and frivolity of the Liberty style, and the adoption of amore sober style,
both in buildings and in interior design, was common all over the world in those years, albeit with local differences:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalism_%28architecture%29


So i believe, but the fascist regime did commission buildings and i was wondering if this was one of them. It would at least have to have been sanctioned by them i would assume. Do you know who commissioned the buiding by any chance?


PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
maxcastle wrote:

So i believe, but the fascist regime did commission buildings and i was wondering if this was one of them. It would at least have to have been sanctioned by them i would assume. Do you know who commissioned the buiding by any chance?


It was made in the 30s, so it doesn't take much to assume that the local government in Parma must have been at least not hostile to the national government.
Yet, this is not a monument, it's an utilitarian building, a commerce trade building.
In my opinion, it is simply a piece of architecture built in the style of the period, with no political meaning to it. It's not even pure Rationalist style,
it has elements of Modernism as well. It's kind of mixed architecture.
It is a mistake to believe that this type of building always has a political meaning. I can show you examples of Rationalist style buildings
built after 1945. This for instance is Palazzo Porcellini in Fidenza, it was built in the place of the ancient Rocca which was destroyed by bombs:

This building is essential Rationalist style, but it was made in the late 50s, commissioned by the then Mayor of the city, a Socialist.
The reality is always more complex and varied than mental schemes.


PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You think then that it had no political meaning when it was built? I ask this because a lot of Architecture and exhibhitions were built to glorify the regimes in that period and i was wondering if this was one of them? I am merely interested in it from a historical point of view, not necessarily from a photographic viewpoint. As you took the picture i was just wondering if you knew anything about the history of the building, no agenda or mental schemes in my motives just an honest curiosity Smile


PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
maxcastle wrote:
You think then that it had no political meaning when it was built? I ask this because a lot of Architecture and exhibhitions were built to glorify the regimes in that period


Maybe as a general statement, but that's not really true of fascism. That happened only partially in the capital city (Rome), with the Foro Mussolini, although in general
fascism was much more about muster shows, than it was about building monuments
(partly because Italy was already abundant of many monuments, there wasn't really need for more of them Wink )

The Italian province was a very different reality than Rome, it was a reality of poverty for most part, and during the ventennium, the funds
were mostly invested in the infrastructures (roads and railways, harbours), to modernize what was a very backwarded country.
There simply weren't enough funds for many monuments.

Public buildings, however, were constructed, such as schools and postal offices, and those buildings in most cases are in the Rationalist style
because that was the favoured style by the regime, but also because that was the current style of the period.
Although I can understand that from an outsider's point of view, it can be easy and somehow appealing to imagine a global design of architectural grandeur of fascism,
from an historical point of view, this is a largely exaggerated and basically incorrect perspective. Perhaps Mussolini would be pleased today that you think so! Wink , but that would be far from the truth.

maxcastle wrote:
and i was wondering if this was one of them? I am merely interested in it from a historical point of view, not necessarily from a photographic viewpoint. As you took the picture i was just wondering if you knew anything about the history of the building, no agenda or mental schemes in my motives just an honest curiosity Smile


Yes, the building was built sometime in the 30s, to be a Pavillion to host the commerce fairs. Parma was, and is, leader in Italy in the food production and commerce.
The structure is placed inside what used to be the Parco Ducale, the park and residence of the Dukes of Parma and Piacenza during the dukedom age.
It served as trade Pavillion until the 60s, when the new Commercial Trade center was built just outside of the city.
After a period of non use, the building was (badly) "reconditioned" to become a theatre in 1987.


PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
maxcastle wrote:
You think then that it had no political meaning when it was built? I ask this because a lot of Architecture and exhibhitions were built to glorify the regimes in that period


Maybe as a general statement, but that's not really true of fascism. That happened only partially in the capital city (Rome), with the Foro Mussolini, although in general
fascism was much more about muster shows, than it was about building monuments
(partly because Italy was already abundant of many monuments, there wasn't really need for more of them Wink )

The Italian province was a very different reality than Rome, it was a reality of poverty for most part, and during the ventennium, the funds
were mostly invested in the infrastructures (roads and railways, harbours), to modernize what was a very backwarded country.
There simply weren't enough funds for many monuments.

Public buildings, however, were constructed, such as schools and postal offices, and those buildings in most cases are in the Rationalist style
because that was the favoured style by the regime, but also because that was the current style of the period.
Although I can understand that from an outsider's point of view, it can be easy and somehow appealing to imagine a global design of architectural grandeur of fascism,
from an historical point of view, this is a largely exaggerated and basically incorrect perspective. Perhaps Mussolini would be pleased today that you think so! Wink , but that would be far from the truth.

maxcastle wrote:
and i was wondering if this was one of them? I am merely interested in it from a historical point of view, not necessarily from a photographic viewpoint. As you took the picture i was just wondering if you knew anything about the history of the building, no agenda or mental schemes in my motives just an honest curiosity Smile


Yes, the building was built sometime in the 30s, to be a Pavillion to host the commerce fairs. Parma was, and is, leader in Italy in the food production and commerce.
The structure is placed inside what used to be the Parco Ducale, the park and residence of the Dukes of Parma and Piacenza during the dukedom age.
It served as trade Pavillion until the 60s, when the new Commercial Trade center was built just outside of the city.
After a period of non use, the building was (badly) "reconditioned" to become a theatre in 1987.


Thank you for the information, now that i know mussolini built nothing outside rome he has gone down furthur in my list as one of the great dictators of all time, i may even have to sell all my memorabilia Shocked


PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
excellent discussion !


PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
maxcastle wrote:

Thank you for the information, now that i know mussolini built nothing outside rome


He built a lot (infrastructures, schools, even whole cities) , but not the kind of monumental architecture that you maybe thought.
In fact, I think everyone would be hard pressed if they had to name even just one famous fascist monument, outside of what is in Rome.


PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ah i see. So were the schools, factories etc not of a certain style that could be linked to the regime, i don't mean that they necessarily "screamed" fascism in their look, but was there somthing in common with them? The parma building to me as an outsider looks like a cross between modern and classical, somthing that was common i believe in the fascist outlook. Let me say, in case you have the wrong idea (maybe you didn't get my ironic humour above), i am not enamoured by any of the totalitarian bullshit but i do like large buildings, somtimes the art can be great but the artist an asshole.


PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
maxcastle wrote:
Ah i see. So were the schools, factories etc not of a certain style that could be linked to the regime, i don't mean that they necessarily "screamed" fascism in their look, but was there somthing in common with them?


I try to answer in the Q/A style Smile

- Are many of the buildings of the 30s and 40s in Italy made in the Rationalist style? Yes.

- Was that style endorsed by the regime? Yes (but not maniacally).

- Was the choice of Rationalist style determined or influenced by the regime's preference? Possibly yes, in the same way that other aspects of life were.
There was not an official guideline to follow in planning buildings. If there was an influence, it was more by imitation than by rules.

- Was there a fascist plan to create a new "monumental Italy" in that style, similar to what Speer planned for Hitler's Berlin? No.

- Can we identify the Rationalist style with Fascism? No, the movement is contemporarily represented in many other nations, with local differences but with a common philosophy.
It is not exclusive of Fascism, although we can say that Fascism used the Rationalist building style almost exclusively.

I hope that this summarizes well Smile


PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
maxcastle wrote:
Ah i see. So were the schools, factories etc not of a certain style that could be linked to the regime, i don't mean that they necessarily "screamed" fascism in their look, but was there somthing in common with them?


I try to answer in the Q/A style Smile

- Are many of the buildings of the 30s and 40s in Italy made in the Rationalist style? Yes.

- Was that style endorsed by the regime? Yes (but not maniacally).

- Was the choice of Rationalist style determined or influenced by the regime's preference? Possibly yes, in the same way that other aspects of life were.
There was not an official guideline to follow in planning buildings. If there was an influence, it was more by imitation than by rules.

- Was there a fascist plan to create a new "monumental Italy" in that style, similar to what Speer planned for Hitler's Berlin? No.

- Can we identify the Rationalist style with Fascism? No, the movement is contemporarily represented in many other nations, with local differences but with a common philosophy.
It is not exclusive of Fascism, although we can say that Fascism used the Rationalist building style almost exclusively.

I hope that this summarizes well Smile
It summarizes very well Smile
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