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Orio
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject: Only one using Contax G? |
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Orio wrote:
Am I the only one using Contax G here?
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Hello Orio
I had a G1 green label with the planar 45 f2 and sonnar 90 2.8 . I sold the camera and lenses a few months back. It is a great system. I just did not use it much. Auto focus, auto wind/rewind and the noise that went with it I did not like. Michelle and I both would grab the CL or a Yashica before the G1. That 45 planar is truly an astounding lens however. I think the camera was just a poor fit for me. Rangefinders should be quiet.
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:34 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
When I bought the G2 I didn't know it was autofocus! I was not much informed and I was convinced at the time that Zeiss only made MF equipment.
However it is possible to switch to manual focus and actually the focusing wheel is a fantastic way to manual focus, because you don't have to move the hand away from the shutter. The rangefinder is coupled and very precise and in fact manual focusing the G2 is preferable in most of the photographic cases.
I agree about the sound but I never thought of the G2 as the kind of camera you use in churches or theaters - a compact rangefinder such as the Canonette is much better suited for that.
I have come to conceive the G2 for what it really shines in: taking top quality photographs. Comparing the slides taken with the G2 with those taken with the 167MT and my beautiful reflex lenses is a shock. The G2 is merciless, it wins so much hands down. The quality of the lenses - particularly the Planar 45 and Biogon 28 - is nothing short of impressive. The quality and quantity of detail, and above all the clarity of image, of the rangefinder lenses, wins over all the reflex Contax lenses that I have. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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F16SUNSHINE
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:07 am Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Rangefinders truly do have the edge when it comes to overall image quality. The G2 from my understanding has an updated and much improved MF system from my G1. The G1 did not focus manually very well (or auto in all but really strong light). It was much more scale focusing than true rangefinder manual focus. I always felt I was just guessing distance and hoping for the best. The CL or one of my little fixed lens rangefinders gave more control and were much quieter. Before I bought the 40D I seriously thought of putting off Digital a bit longer and building a Zeiss Ikon system. It did not make sense from a workflow standpoint and I have enough small format rangefinders to stay busy. If budget was not an issue I would have an M-8 system. Not because of the "Leica name" to the contrary, most of the lenses I desire in M mount are Zeiss. I also have one Cosina M on my CL already and find it a fantastic performer and value (voightlander noktot 40mm f1.4). Cosina/voightlander also has many serious options for M mount wide angle lenses. This is really tempting. How does a mostly amateur justify paying for an M8 ? Do you think any other manufacturers will ever offer a digital RF that can be affordable? Epson has the rds1 but $2500+ for 6mp cosina made camera is hardly affordable or good value. |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:16 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
F16SUNSHINE wrote: |
Do you think any other manufacturers will ever offer a digital RF that can be affordable? |
An affordable digital RF, like an 8 MPix Bessa , would be a dream. But I don't think that there are good chances to have that one day...
People are too much into DSLRs.
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Am I the only one using Contax G here?
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I would love to have one, and I once shot some pics with a G1 from a friend, but they still are pretty expensive. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Richard_D
Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2378 Location: Faversham Kent UK
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
I drooled over one (G2) in the local camera shop - a cased set with 28, 45 and 90 lenses, but it was beyond my means _________________ Richard
The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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spkennedy3000
Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 334 Location: London
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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spkennedy3000 wrote:
Hi Orio and any other G fans.
The G2 has been a dream camera for me since it came out.
I would love to buy one, with the 21mm biogon especially, but I struggle to justify the purchase. However, although it is still not cheap, compared to what it cost when it first came out, it has become relatively affordable.
Would you tell a little more about what it is like to use, especially relative to your 5D (Orio)?
How do the images compare when used with top quality film to those made by the 5d?
Thanks very much,
Simon _________________ G2 21 28 45 90
5d with flek 35mm f2.4 and zuiko 18mm f3.5, zuiko 24mm f2.8, zuiko 28mm f2.8, Canon EF 50mm f1.4, Nikon 105mm f2.5. |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
spkennedy3000 wrote: |
Hi Orio and any other G fans.
The G2 has been a dream camera for me since it came out.
I would love to buy one, with the 21mm biogon especially, but I struggle to justify the purchase. However, although it is still not cheap, compared to what it cost when it first came out, it has become relatively affordable.
Would you tell a little more about what it is like to use, especially relative to your 5D (Orio)?
How do the images compare when used with top quality film to those made by the 5d?
Thanks very much,
Simon |
Scanning at the same resolution of the 5D, the digital image obviously is much cleaner, because even the best film has some grain, while the 5D at 50 or 100 ISO virtually has none.
However, at the resolution for making small prints (like 12x18 cm), there is virtually no difference.
But film, regardless of what hardcore fans of digital say, still delivers an atmosphere that digital can't. What is it, I can't explain scientifically. Yet it's there to see.
Plus of course, the quality of rangefinder lenses, especially in the wide angles, is something that reflex cameras can not just achieve.
I have already posted one image today made with G2 and Biogon 28mm, you can find the thread in the Lenses forum. I will post more G2 images today, that will show - I think - what the combination of B&W film + rangefinder lenses can achieve. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Here's a picture I took with the G2 and the Biogon 28mm.:
I think it illustrates well what I mean that the film can give a certain atmosphere that the digital (too clean, probably), can not.
However, as the following 100% crops will show, you still get high quality output.
The negative was scanned at half (3343 pixels larger side) of the maximum optical resolution of the scanner. So it shows half of the resolution potential of the G2.
These 100% crops have not been denoized, and have not been sharpened. I left them intact to show the potential, even when scanned with a consumer scanner like mine.
The second crop is a corner crop, and this shows the kind of corner quality you can expect from a Biogon lens.
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
A quick and quite misfocused snapshot that I took of Monica (Sonnar 90). This image also shows that there is some kind of "live" film quality, that shows through also sloppy images:
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spkennedy3000
Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 334 Location: London
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: |
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spkennedy3000 wrote:
Thanks Orio these look great.
Is the autofocus so very noisy? _________________ G2 21 28 45 90
5d with flek 35mm f2.4 and zuiko 18mm f3.5, zuiko 24mm f2.8, zuiko 28mm f2.8, Canon EF 50mm f1.4, Nikon 105mm f2.5. |
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spkennedy3000
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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spkennedy3000 wrote:
Whoopsie... just bought one... _________________ G2 21 28 45 90
5d with flek 35mm f2.4 and zuiko 18mm f3.5, zuiko 24mm f2.8, zuiko 28mm f2.8, Canon EF 50mm f1.4, Nikon 105mm f2.5. |
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Orio
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
spkennedy3000 wrote: |
Thanks Orio these look great.
Is the autofocus so very noisy? |
I'm afraid yes. But anyway, if you want to shoot in silence, the G2 is not the camera also if you use it in manual mode. The shutter is noisy also. A Canonet is better suited for shooting in silent places. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Orio
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
spkennedy3000 wrote: |
Whoopsie... just bought one... |
Congratulations, I feel less lonely now _________________ Orio, Administrator
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bob955i
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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bob955i wrote:
Orio wrote: |
film, regardless of what hardcore fans of digital say, still delivers an atmosphere that digital can't. What is it, I can't explain scientifically. Yet it's there to see. |
A tangible and natural sense of 'depth'.
IMO. |
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poilu
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
Simon wrote: |
Whoopsie... just bought one... |
Congrats! _________________ T* |
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spkennedy3000
Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 334 Location: London
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:05 am Post subject: |
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spkennedy3000 wrote:
By far the best looking/feeling camera I have seen, hope I can get something good out of it. _________________ G2 21 28 45 90
5d with flek 35mm f2.4 and zuiko 18mm f3.5, zuiko 24mm f2.8, zuiko 28mm f2.8, Canon EF 50mm f1.4, Nikon 105mm f2.5. |
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Orio
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:05 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
spkennedy3000 wrote: |
By far the best looking/feeling camera I have seen, |
Yes, it's not something you can quietly take with you to the slums
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hope I can get something good out of it. |
I'm sure you will. It has some of the best optics available anywhere. The focusing mechanism requires to get used to it though. After every shot, it gets back to a "null" position. So you must refocus for every shot, unless you shoose the "continuous" shooting more. If you like me are used to manual focusing more than autofocusing, you may forget to refocus. This is the only drawback in an otherwise almost perfect camera. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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spkennedy3000
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:35 am Post subject: |
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spkennedy3000 wrote:
What I would really like is for someone to invent and sell me a 22 megapixel chip that inserts into the back of it, giving me digital functionality when required. Then it would be really perfect. _________________ G2 21 28 45 90
5d with flek 35mm f2.4 and zuiko 18mm f3.5, zuiko 24mm f2.8, zuiko 28mm f2.8, Canon EF 50mm f1.4, Nikon 105mm f2.5. |
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Orio
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:38 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Requests for a digital back for the G2 have been going on for quite some time now, but apparently Zeiss isn't interested, probably because after the hyatus from Kyocera, there are still legal issues pending for the Contax name (which belong to Zeiss but was loaned to Kyocera until well within the 2010s I believe.) _________________ Orio, Administrator
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spkennedy3000
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:49 am Post subject: |
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spkennedy3000 wrote:
Well I would be happy to wait.
In the meantime the quality is so high it will keep my happy enough.
Just have to finish this pesky video then I will go and shoot some film with it. _________________ G2 21 28 45 90
5d with flek 35mm f2.4 and zuiko 18mm f3.5, zuiko 24mm f2.8, zuiko 28mm f2.8, Canon EF 50mm f1.4, Nikon 105mm f2.5. |
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spkennedy3000
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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spkennedy3000 wrote:
WOW!
I love this camera.
I just got some negatives back, and they are looking good.
Off to Cyprus for a week but here is the first scan - neopan 1600, a series on mannequins (I find them fascinating):
This one is with the 90mm wide open.
_________________ G2 21 28 45 90
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Orio
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Impressive for a 1600 and wide open! _________________ Orio, Administrator
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