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philslizzy
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 4744 Location: Cheshire, England
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:30 pm Post subject: So what's all the fuss about bokeh? |
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philslizzy wrote:
Until I joined this fine forum, I understood what bokeh was, but using my AF lenses on my DSLR, I didnt really experience good, proper bokeh. I read a thread where a chap has a collection of Helios lenses and was comparing thrm, Now I got one the other day on a Zenit. I decided to give it a proper trial.
Armed with my Nikon DSLR, manual nikkor 50mm f1.8, the Helios 44M and a couple of Zuiko's that have been adapted to Nikon (with infinity focus, but that's another tale...) I went down to our local meadow flower corridor to see what it was all about.
I shot at full aperture on the Helios and the Nikkor, while shooting at about 1/1600th. The results astounded me I must admit. here are two similar photos taken at about the same distance with both lenses.
Now I understand the expression 'creamy bokeh' I understand now why helios lenses have such loyal fans.
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hoanpham
Joined: 31 Jan 2011 Posts: 2575
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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hoanpham wrote:
Between these two, i d go for the helios.
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3666 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
Are all the 1.8 shots that busy? if so I'd sell it and look for a 1.4 _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
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miran
Joined: 01 Aug 2012 Posts: 1364 Location: Slovenia
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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miran wrote:
To do a proper test and comparison you'd have to put the camera on a tripod to make sure you don't move between shots. Because when you move just a few centimeteres here or there or turn the camera at just a slightly different angle you can get very different background. The longer the lens, the more this is true. But yeah, different lenses will produce different results. It wouldn't be interesting if they were all the same. |
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skida
Joined: 02 Mar 2012 Posts: 1826 Location: North East England
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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skida wrote:
Lightshow wrote: |
Are all the 1.8 shots that busy? if so I'd sell it and look for a 1.4 |
If you want an un-fussy background a sheet of neutral card would be cheaper than a 1.4 lens. |
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
And to be fair, the 8mm lens difference and any lens to subject difference could have contributed to results. _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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Esox lucius
Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2441 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Esox lucius wrote:
At this focusing distance, +8mm focal length makes a huge difference in how the background is thrown off focus. |
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philslizzy
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 4744 Location: Cheshire, England
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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philslizzy wrote:
Lightshow wrote: |
Are all the 1.8 shots that busy? if so I'd sell it and look for a 1.4 |
Is there a Helios 58mm f1.4 then?
Its bad enough keeping your macro subject in focus at f1.8 never mind at a wider aperture. Using wide apertures on macro is against everything we were taught about photography, small apertures, good depth of field are essential.
The shots were taken specifically to test bokeh only. if an f1.4 lens came my way I'd have it because I'd use it in low light, they were designed to catch more light, not designed to create shallow DOF, or super bokeh those are just side effects.
Esox lucius wrote: |
At this focusing distance, +8mm focal length makes a huge difference in how the background is thrown off focus. |
I didn't know it would make that much difference, but I tend to agree, perhaps this is why Helios lenses are so prized. |
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enliten
Joined: 20 Sep 2011 Posts: 201 Location: Perth, WA
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:37 am Post subject: |
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enliten wrote:
This post discusses faster Russian Lenses, no helios 58mm though.
http://forum.mflenses.com/fastest-russian-production-lens-t52489.html
I'm of the understanding that the helios 44 is well regarded because it is cheap, resonably fast, reasonably sharp and has swirly bokeh.
Also, the closer you can get to your minimal focal distance of your lens, the blurrier your background highlights will be take this for example: http://craftedbyben.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Kings-Park-August-2012-5-of-17.jpg
I shot this at F11. Yes, this is a dedicated macro lens, this shot was taken at the lenses minimal focal distance (approx 40cm). _________________ www.craftedbyben.com
Digital: Canon EOS 7D
Film SLRs: Zenit 122, Nikon F55, Nikon FM2, Pentax Spotmatic, Pentax ME Super, Pentax K1000, Minolta SR1
Rangefinders: Konica Auto S2, Zeiss Ikon Contessa LKE, Zeiss Ikon Continette, Zeiss Ikon Ikonta 521/16, Fed 5B
50's: Super Takumar 50 f1.4, Helios 44-m6,, Minolta MD 50 f1.4, Meyer Optik Oreston 50 f1.8, Olympus 50 f1.4, Industar 55 f2.8 (RF), Jupiter-3 50 f1.5 (RF), Yashinon DS 50 f1.4, Zeiss Jena 50 f2.8, Zeiss Pancolar 50 f1.8
Med Tele: Jupiter-11 135 f4 (RF), Mamiya 120 f4 Macro (645), Meyer Optik Trioplan 100 f2.8, Jupiter-9 85 f2
Tele: Jupiter-21a 200mm f4
Wide: Rikenon 35 2.8, Rikenon 28 f2.8, Minolta MD 28 f2.8, Minolta MD 24 f2.8, Pentacon 30 f3.5, Enna Werk Munchen Lithagon 35 f4.5
Autofocus: Canon 50 1.8, Sigma 50 1.4, Tokina 11-16 2.8
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Oreste
Joined: 08 Sep 2012 Posts: 451
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Oreste wrote:
the lenses are slightly different in speed and focal length. test results not reliable |
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