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Gurdie
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 Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:10 am Post subject: Fastest Russian production lens? |
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Gurdie wrote:
I have a copy of Arsat N 50mm f/1.4 lens in Nikon mount, manufactured by Arsenal in 1994. If I have understood right, this lens started as Helios-123 during Soviet era. My Arsat´s s/n is 9400606, so I believe that at least a few hundred lenses were produced.
Apart from Jupiter-3 50mm f/1.5 and Helios-40 85 mm f/1,5 lenses, there were plans to produce:
MC Zenitar 50 mm f/1.4 (by KMZ),
MC Volna-4 50 mm f/1.4 (by Arsenal) and
MC Volna-8N 50mm f/1.2 lens (by Arsenal).
I believe only short pilot series of these were ever manufactured.
Has anybody actually seen these lenses, or can I boast owning the fastest Russian production lens, if the Cyclop night vision lenses are not included? 
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iangreenhalgh1
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:18 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I am sure I saw a Helios 1.4 50mm in Nikon mount, but I might be wrong and it was the Arsat you have.
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Gurdie
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Gurdie wrote:
Yes, I have seen pics of Helios 50/1.4 lens, and it´s possible, that they were sold with that name.
http://www.photohistory.ru/index.php?pid=1207248188604538
The Photohistory Russia web page doesn´t give any details, however about Helios-123. The Arsat I have, had a leafleft with pic of Helios-123 with it.
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Given the plethora of different markings I've seen on Russian lenses, I suppose i's possible some Arsats were labelled Helios, I think I saw it on a Kiev 19 for sale on ebay.
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
I don't know any faster.
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Gurdie
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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Gurdie wrote:
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| Given the plethora of different markings I've seen on Russian lenses, I suppose i's possible some Arsats were labelled Helios, I think I saw it on a Kiev 19 for sale on ebay. |
I believe, that the Arsenal factory started using the Arsat name Ukrainian independence, propably they hadn´t a licence to use Helios brand any more.
Helios-81 50mm f/2 lenses are also manufactured under Arsat N name. Maybe the lens you saw was this slower one.
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danfromm
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danfromm wrote:
Fast Soviet lenses?
Go here http://www.lallement.com/pictures/files.htm , download the 1963 GOI catalog and look at chapter 5.2, which lists lenses in maximum aperture order, descending. f/1.4 isn't at the top of the list. |
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BurstMox
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BurstMox wrote:
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Fast Soviet lenses?
Go here http://www.lallement.com/pictures/files.htm , download the 1963 GOI catalog and look at chapter 5.2, which lists lenses in maximum aperture order, descending. f/1.4 isn't at the top of the list. |
Interesting document, thx!
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Drack
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Drack wrote:
There was also some prototype versions like the Rekord-4 0,9/50mm in Kiev/contax mount
P.S. I actually held and had the opportunity to buy the Volna f1,4/50mm lens. ( One of the 64 ever made) The price was insanely low but I did not have enough money on me  As I`ve heard it is an unique lens to use, but nothing that is worth paying the money for which it is sold today
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NewStuff wrote:
Entry no 180 is f0.5 if I'm reading that correctly.... 
And No 213 isn't shabby at f0.85 either...
I doubt I'll ever see one, let alone get to use one in anger...
And I should have scrolled down further, *and* read the post that linked to the document... DOH!
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fermy
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fermy wrote:
These are calculated lenses, it does not mean that they were produced. In fact, most of them weren't...
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danfromm
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danfromm wrote:
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| These are calculated lenses, it does not mean that they were produced. In fact, most of them weren't... |
Interesting. Why do you believe this?
What I know about them is that few were intended to be released to the general public. |
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