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enliten
Joined: 20 Sep 2011 Posts: 201 Location: Perth, WA
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:35 pm Post subject: Zeiss military glass. |
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enliten wrote:
Zeiss military lenses, anybody have any idea of the quality?
From what I can ascertain these were used in aerial recon cameras for large format panoramas.
See below:
http://www.surplusshed.com/pages/item/l10021.html
Same site also has some fairchild lenses which appear to be the same design and whole panoramic aerial camers. _________________ www.craftedbyben.com
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Film SLRs: Zenit 122, Nikon F55, Nikon FM2, Pentax Spotmatic, Pentax ME Super, Pentax K1000, Minolta SR1
Rangefinders: Konica Auto S2, Zeiss Ikon Contessa LKE, Zeiss Ikon Continette, Zeiss Ikon Ikonta 521/16, Fed 5B
50's: Super Takumar 50 f1.4, Helios 44-m6,, Minolta MD 50 f1.4, Meyer Optik Oreston 50 f1.8, Olympus 50 f1.4, Industar 55 f2.8 (RF), Jupiter-3 50 f1.5 (RF), Yashinon DS 50 f1.4, Zeiss Jena 50 f2.8, Zeiss Pancolar 50 f1.8
Med Tele: Jupiter-11 135 f4 (RF), Mamiya 120 f4 Macro (645), Meyer Optik Trioplan 100 f2.8, Jupiter-9 85 f2
Tele: Jupiter-21a 200mm f4
Wide: Rikenon 35 2.8, Rikenon 28 f2.8, Minolta MD 28 f2.8, Minolta MD 24 f2.8, Pentacon 30 f3.5, Enna Werk Munchen Lithagon 35 f4.5
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
The Topogon is probably the most famous one, developed (if I remember correctly) in the 30s within a conjunct
German-Soviet military airforce development effort.
There is a new member in the forum who is a former Zeiss technician, he can surely add more and better information. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Orio wrote: |
There is a new member in the forum who is a former Zeiss technician, he can surely add more and better information. |
Who is that? He'll be a good resource. _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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fuzzywuzzy
Joined: 18 Dec 2010 Posts: 1258 Location: Down East, Canada, eh?
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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fuzzywuzzy wrote:
woodrim wrote: |
Orio wrote: |
There is a new member in the forum who is a former Zeiss technician, he can surely add more and better information. |
Who is that? He'll be a good resource. |
This gentleman http://forum.mflenses.com/profile,mode,viewprofile,u,5954.html
When I saw the name and profile I knew he was going to be a popular guy _________________ I welcome C&C, editing my pics and reposting them on the forum is fine.
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danfromm
Joined: 04 Sep 2011 Posts: 585
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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danfromm wrote:
The late Charlie Barringer (that's Charlie Barringer as in Barringer & Small, Zeiss-Ikon Compendium) had a drawer full of those things. He regarded them as useless. The cells won't go into a standard shutter, the diaphragm (two blades, IIRC, square aperture) scale isn't calibrated. Charlie thought they were Planars.
If you must get one, get the Fairchild equivalent (not made by Zeiss, Roger doesn't know everything). http://www.surplusshed.com/pages/item/l10066.html or http://www.surplusshed.com/pages/item/l10429.html Less expensive, superb, equally useless.
IMO no Zeiss lenses sold for military applications are worth the trouble of adapting to small chip digicams. The 38/4.5 Biogon is worth using on, e.g., a Century or 2x3 Crown Graphic. As for Topogons, Lamegons and the like, what's the point of hanging a relatively long focus wide angle lens in front of a tiny chip? Braggin' rights, perhaps, but that's not worth much. The Agiflite 150 Sonnar and 350 Tele Tessar are basically unusable except on an Agiflite; if you want to use those lenses, get them in Hasselblad mount and use 'em on a Hasselblad. |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
There may be a problem mounting such a short back focus lens on a Speed Graphic. I would think you'd want a Speed because of the focal plane shutter, though even 75mm may be too short for infinity. Its also going to be a pain to focus because the lens would have to be in the box, where the standard is off the focusing gears. I've run into that problem with several lenses I've been trying to get running on Graphics.
It could be interesting on a specialized project camera, as an alternative to a pinhole.
Any idea of the coverage on these things ? _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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danfromm
Joined: 04 Sep 2011 Posts: 585
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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danfromm wrote:
Luis, the late Charlie was an ingenious adapter. He couldn't see a way to use the things.
The aperture isn't scaled. This is a problem.
Re using on a 2x3 Speed, not possible, at least for the Fairchild lens. Its barrel is too fat to pass through the front standard and its back focus is shorter than a 2x3 Speed's minimum flange-to-film distance. I think, could be mistaken, that this is true of the Zeiss lens as well. Oh, yeah, both were made to cover 6x6. 80 mm circle.
If you'd read my lens diary you'd know that I'm an imaginative adapter too. More imaginative than my friend, in fact. I wouldn't have one of those lenses as a gift.
Re specialized project, what's the point, except perhaps braggin' rights? If you want to take pictures with a 3" Planar, just get a Rolleiflex ... Or get a Hasselblad and shoot with an 80 mm Planar. As Klaus will no doubt tell us, zeit ist geld. |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Hey, every tinkerer needs his illusions of competence ! Otherwise we'd stop tinkering !
I don't think these things are easily adaptable either, though I have gotten past the standard size problem (for one) by modifying standards. Other options include my super duper ugly adapted Zeiss Oryx with 4x5 back with home-made 3"lensboard standard - alas now in parts again because of bellows problems. I couldn't quite do 65mm with that, but 75mm, maybe.
6x6 coverage isn't worth it though.
I am playing with an 80mm Norita that seems to cover 6x9 if I squint at it correctly, and, with the proper sacrifices to the correct evil spirits, may be able to sink the barrel into a 3" lensboard. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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danfromm
Joined: 04 Sep 2011 Posts: 585
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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danfromm wrote:
luisalegria wrote: |
I am playing with an 80mm Norita that seems to cover 6x9 if I squint at it correctly, and, with the proper sacrifices to the correct evil spirits, may be able to sink the barrel into a 3" lensboard. |
Wishful thinking is a killer. No way will an 80 mm 6/4 double Gauss type (I think that's what the Norita SLR normal lenses are, as usual could be mistaken) cover 2x3.
This lens http://www.ebay.de/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item3f1adba692&item=271033542290&nma=true&pt=DE_Foto_Camcorder_Objektive&rt=nc&si=1YLBBA4ETFE9mRXemhqX5d%252BQl9A%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc was Charlie's. He'd stuffed it crudely into the front of a Miniature Speed Graphic. When he showed it to me, he and I squinted at the camera's focusing panel and agreed that it might cover 2x3.
I later got one, had skgrimes put it on a 2x3 Pacemaker lensboard. It makes infinity on a 2x3 Pacemaker Speed Graphic. Fine, wonderful, but it doesn't even illuminate 6x7. So much for squinting. So much for wishing. |
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Sevo
Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 1189 Location: Frankfurt, Germany
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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Sevo wrote:
The cameras they were for - KB-18 - are Vietnam war era stike damage monitoring 70mm cameras that delivered a full-area scan of the bombing area with a combination of a rotating prism and the aircraft motion. That is, these lenses are optimized for something very different from a static image through a circular aperture on a two-dimensional film.
To get it to deliver something closed to its designed resolution you'd at the very least have to substitute a glass plate the strength of that prism, and would have to do something about its one-dimensional aperture - but if you are unlucky it won't have much of a performance in a different configuration. There are reasons why these are dirt cheap and all over the place. _________________ Sevo |
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