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Orio
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject: SMC Takumar 3.5/135 vs. MC Jupiter-37AM |
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Orio wrote:
This morning I received a SMC Takumar 3.5/135 which I won for 17 GBP.
Very mint condition with original bag and both original caps (a rarity).
I put it to comparison with my favourite lens of the same speed -the MC Jupiter-37AM- and I have to say that, apart from a tad warmer tone and a tad more contrast in the Jupiter, the two pictures look identical for the quality of detail and the edge performance. I have not tested the CA but I expect similar values.
In conclusion I say that I think the SMC Takumar 3.5/135 is an excellent lens.
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
Congrats very nice price
This lens surprised me also.
Small nice, solid, no CA, nice colors, sharp and very good for macro. _________________ T* |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Congratulations, Orio!
The "formula 3.5/135" seems to be a very reliable one. I have several lenses with these parameters (and different lens design) and each of those is at least good, if not very good or even excellent. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Congrats! I vote for Jupiter against SMC Takumar even if Tak is a fine lens. _________________ -------------------------------
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Richard_D
Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2378 Location: Faversham Kent UK
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
Thanks - one to look out for. _________________ Richard
The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I made a little torture test for bokeh earlier.
(just test shots nothing fancy)
The lens came out of it brilliantly, even from the most difficult situations.
Take a look:
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patrickh
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Now that is great value.
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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Richard_D
Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2378 Location: Faversham Kent UK
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
Definitely worth hunting for! _________________ Richard
The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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montecarlo
Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 1865 Location: Romania
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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montecarlo wrote:
The smc Takumar 135 / 3.5 could be the same as the smc Pentax 135 / 3.5 (the first one with the K bayonet http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/primes/tele/K135f3.5.html ) mafe for the K series Pentax cameras (K bayonet Spotmatics) ? It seems that the more encountered smc Pentax-M 135 / 3.5 http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/primes/tele/M135f3.5.html has a different optical formula and is more compact (less than 2 cm in lenght) that the first one (the K version). _________________ Canonet QL17 III
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Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 35mm f:2.4
Pentax MX, ME Super, Chinon CE4/CM4, Petri MC 28mm f:2, smc Pentax-M 50mm f:1.7, Soligor T 135mm f:2.8
Minolta X500, Tokina 28/2.8, Rokkor 50/1.7, 80-205/4.5
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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4569 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
Recently I had picked up a near mint copy as well and had fallen in love with the smooth mechanics of it.
I guess this result won't do away with your general bias against japanese lenses you had mentioned at the other thread. I very much believe in your expertise and you founded your bias very well. But before your elaboration I must admit that from what I have been reading here and there I had started wondering if that bias which is shared by some at least in some cases could be a prejudice.. ??
anyway, I am happy to know that you like your new lens, and thank you for sharing _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections |
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
kuuan wrote: |
Recently I had picked up a near mint copy as well and had fallen in love with the smooth mechanics of it.
I guess this result won't do away with your general bias against japanese lenses you had mentioned at the other thread. I very much believe in your expertise and you founded your bias very well. But before your elaboration I must admit that from what I have been reading here and there I had started wondering if that bias which is shared by some at least in some cases could be a prejudice.. ??
anyway, I am happy to know that you like your new lens, and thank you for sharing |
There is no objective truth in comparing lenses, not even MTF tests, because to be really such, they should be made under the same conditions. Let alone subjective impressions.
So it's hard to talk about prejudice when everything is clearly in the realm of the subjective.
A real prejudice would have not let me go for and buy this lens, don't you think? _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I don't know, I know too little about Pentax lenses to be able to reply.
In some cases, transition from older to newer lens is a matter of optimization/modernization (example is Contax Sonnar 2.8/135), in other cases (I think for instance of Nikkor 2.5/105 pre-AI and AI, or of Elmarit-R 90 first and second version), the optical scheme is completely new.
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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4569 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
is it right, the SMC Tak you got is the one shown here:
http://www.jr-worldwi.de/photo/index.html?Pentax_SMC_Takumar_135mm_3.5.html
and here:
http://angeliou.blogspot.com/2007/08/takumar.html
not the one shown at the montecarlo's links to bdimitrov' site?
there is some onfo on stans' site about the different Pentax 135mm, quote:
I have no experience with the other lenses, but according to Boz's site, the various optical formulas for the 135 lens are:
SMCP 135/2.5: 6 groups, 6 elements (also SMC Takumar 135/2.5, but not Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 135/2.5)
SMCP A 135/2.8: 4 groups, 4 elements
SMCP A* 135/1.8: 6 groups, 7 elements
SMCP F and FA 135/2.8: 7 groups, 8 elements
SMCP 135/3.5: 4 groups, 4 elements (also SMCT 135/3.5)
SMCP 135/3.5: 5 groups, 5 elements
TAKUMAR (BAYONET) 135/2.5: ? groups, ? elements
and, quote:
'I've used the Takumar (BAYONET) 135/2.5 lens and find that while it is quite sharp, the color and contrast are not up to par with even my older M42 mount Super-Multi-Coated Takumar lenses'
quotes taken from: http://stans-photography.info/LongComments.html#135%20mm%20General%20Discussion _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections |
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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4569 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
Orio wrote: |
A real prejudice would have not let me go for and buy this lens, don't you think? |
Orio I never thought that you personally were prejudiced,
and you just may successfully scattered my suspicion that others are, you are not even german..
but I should be more careful with my words, this forum is full of the most kind and friendly people, please everybody be assured that my remarks are meant jokingly, maybe mockingly, but certainly friendly with a big smile.
Seriously I had thought that early Takumars were considered the best together with Leica optically and their build quality seems better than that of other german and russian lenses. _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections
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peterm1
Joined: 06 Dec 2007 Posts: 224
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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peterm1 wrote:
Pentax made several versions of this lens over the years, and apart from changes to the coating I don't believe that they made major (if any) changes to the optical design. I have several versions.
The earliest is a preset version with a 46mm filter ring and some chrome parts on the barrel , which was followed by a preset version with a 49mm filter ring and a full black barrel which it kept through the life of the screw mount M42 lenses.
Then came a model with a semi auto aperture (which had to be cocked to open the aperture to full for viewing these were called auto takumars but did not live up to their name obviously) and then a model with fully auto aperture and single coating (marketed as Super Takumars.)
Finally they marketed the famed multi coated SMC Takumars which was the last model before they moved to bayonet mount.
As far as I know all of these models are highly regarded. I have them all, having slowly accumulated a collection over the years. One day I must post some comparative tests to see if there is any difference in the results produced. I expect the only differences would br through the changes to coatings but it would be interesting never the less.
Their 105mm f2.8 went thru a similar range of designs which paralleled the 135mm changes. I also have each of these apart from the semi auto version which is a bit hard to find although it comes up on eBay from time to time. They are equally nice lenses and well worth collecting and using.
I have found Pentaxes M42 lenses to be of universally high quality. They have a reputation for superb build (and that reputation is well deserved in my view) and the the have high optical quality although like many lenses of the era their corner performance suffers a bit and they benefits from stopping down a couple of stops.
The only problem they seem to suffer from is that their aperture design can lead sometimes to them getting a little sluggish over time and they may need a service to clean the aperture mechanism and get it working properly. This is not that common however and if it does occur the service is relatively simple and not too expensive. I should add in fairness that I have found that Canon FL lenses also have this problem from time to time. _________________ PeterM |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
kuuan wrote: |
...and you just may successfully scattered my suspicion that others are, you are not even german.. |
Watch it, neighbour! _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Abbazz
Joined: 23 Jun 2007 Posts: 1098 Location: Jakarta
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Abbazz wrote:
The early models of the Super-Takumar 135/3.5 lens were 5 element/4 group lenses, while the subsequent models (including K-mount SMC-Pentax lenses) were simplified 4 element/4 group lenses. The 5/4 version is reportedly better.
Cheers!
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Laurence wrote:
I have what I think is the earliest model, Takumar 135/3.5 pre-set. I've only taken a few images with it, but the bokeh was very nice. I still need to get it into something to show sharpness.
Cosmetically a beautiful lens (I love the chrome and black parts), and mechanically as smooth as it gets, comparable in smooth action to my old Summicron 50/2.
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Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
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Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:43 am Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Laurence
You take the sexiest pictures!
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:00 am Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
patrickh wrote: |
Laurence
You take the sexiest pictures!
patrickh |
Haha! Almost, but not quite as sexy as young, toned female?
Laurence (Larry) _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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peterm1
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:25 am Post subject: |
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peterm1 wrote:
The early models of the Super-Takumar 135/3.5 lens were 5 element/4 group lenses, while the subsequent models (including K-mount SMC-Pentax lenses) were simplified 4 element/4 group lenses. The 5/4 version is reportedly better.
Abazz Do you have a link for this, I am interested to read about it. But I do not know much about K mount only the M42 mount which I regard as superb lenses in general. Were the SMC M42 mount lenses also 5/4 design? _________________ PeterM |
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montecarlo
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:18 am Post subject: Asahi Pentax lenses |
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montecarlo wrote:
Asahi Pentax lenses:
Takumar lenses (Pentax M42 mount)
http://forum.mflenses.com/pentax-lenses-and-cameras-t2798.html#42014
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Abbazz
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:43 am Post subject: |
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Abbazz wrote:
peterm1 wrote: |
Abazz Do you have a link for this, I am interested to read about it. But I do not know much about K mount only the M42 mount which I regard as superb lenses in general. Were the SMC M42 mount lenses also 5/4 design? |
Peter, I got this from some old Pentax lens catalogs. It is also mentioned in Gerjan van Oosten's The Ultimate Asahi Pentax Screwmount Guide, Uitgeverij Jansk, Zeist, 1999.
The first Tele-Takumar 135/3.5 was designed in 1953 as a chrome finish lens in M37 mount for the Asahiflex cameras; it was a 5 element/4 group formula.
In 1957, the lens was released in M42 mount for the new Asahi Pentax camera as the Takumar 135/3.5. It was the preset version in black barrel with chrome rings; product number was 324/43240. The optical formula was unchanged. This is Laurence's lens pictured above.
In 1959, the lens was released in all black finish with semi-automatic aperture preselection (the mechanism has to be manually cocked with a small lever on the lens after each exposure) as the Auto-Takumar 135/3.5. Product number was 343.
In 1961, the Takumar preset lens underwent some cosmetic changes (all black finish, lighter weight). Product number was 353/43530.
In 1963, the Auto-Takumar was replaced by the Super-Takumar 135/3.5 model I with all black finish and full automatic aperture preselection. Product number was 354/43540.
In 1965, the rear group doublet of the Super-Takumar was replaced with a single meniscus, thus giving birth to the new Model II lens with 4 elements in 4 groups. Product number was 43541.
All subsequent versions (S-M-C-Takumar and K-mount) shared the same optical formula as the Super-Takumar model II.
Many Pentax lenses (like the 35/2, 135/2.5, 300/4, ...) had their optical formula changed at some point in the production of the lens, sometimes significantly, so it is always better to specify the product number when referring to these lenses. On Super-Takumar and S-M-C-Takumar lenses, the product number is engraved beneath the Auto/Manual lever.
It is always funny to read those threads about the S-M-C-Takumar 135/2.5, a popular lens which seems quite controversial. Some users find it quite mediocre, while the others consider it a great lens. Could it be an issue with quality control at the Pentax factory? In fact, the explanation is quite simple: there are two different lenses named S-M-C-Takumar 135/2.5. The first model (product 43802) with a 5 element/4 group formula exhibited a lot of residual aberrations at wide apertures, while the second model (product 43812) had a much better corrected 6 element/6 groups construction.
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:59 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I had this lens for a little while, in my opinion all later version Takumars are lot better. This is nice looking lens, but not a good one. _________________ -------------------------------
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Orio wrote:
Abbazz, I am not sure to understand if you are talking of the 3.5/135 or the 2.5/135, in any case my 3.5/135 has serial number 43542.
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