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fuzzywuzzy
Joined: 18 Dec 2010 Posts: 1258 Location: Down East, Canada, eh?
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:27 pm Post subject: best/cheapest film body for Exakta lenses? |
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fuzzywuzzy wrote:
The Bug Auction Site has been kind to me, I've acquired a couple of nice Zeiss Jenna Exakta mount lenses for not much money.
Flek 25/4 - $100 including another lens
Sonnar 135/4 - $50
They're both "auto" lenses with the huge knob sticking out the side. I knew they won't mount on my Canon but couldn't resist those prices.
I'm saving up for a NEX digital body, but wouldn't it be nice to use that 25mm on full frame?
Exakta bodies seem expensive, and the curtains seem to be a problem. How much should I expect to pay for a functional Exakta body? (mechanically reliable, don't care about metering)
Adapters apparently exist for Minolta and Canon FD and Konica. Availability seems spotty and prices are high, but the bodies are dirt cheap.
Any advice?
I'm in no rush, once I decide on a plan I'm perfectly happy to bargain hunt over a period of months. _________________ I welcome C&C, editing my pics and reposting them on the forum is fine.
NEX-F3
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CZJ Sonnar 135/4, Biotar 58/2, Pancolar 50/2, Tessar 50/2.8, Flek 35/2.8, Flek 25/4
Super Takumar 135/2.5, 135/3.5, 100/4 bellows, 50/1.4, 28/3.5
Helios 58/2, 3M-5A 500/8, Mir 20M
Vivitar Series 1 70-210 - - - - - - - - Nikkor 200/4
Rikenon 28/2.8 - - - - - - - - Zeiss 50/1.7 Planar
PB 50/2.4, 135/2.8
Yashica 50/1.9, 28/2.8, 135/2.8
Hexanon 28/3.5, 50/1.4 |
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Minolfan
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 3439 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
You can choose for an Exakta RTL1000. Good metal (Praktica) shutter. Don't go for the metering prism, not working or expensive and unpleasant in use.
Exakta Varex IIb or VX1000 are fun to use if they work. But some risk of shutter problems or detoriated curtains, that is true.
I am searching a long time for a Exakta > MD adapter, scarce and expensive if they show up. |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Difficult problem.
I have had several Exaktas.
The earlier ones have an all-fabric shutter that seems to last better than the later rubberized one on the VX2a's and later.
Of course any Exakta could have a rubberized shutter if they have been serviced at some point.
The other problem with old Exaktas, and this is universal, is that the bearings need to be lubricated.
My mint VXIIb has a perfect curtain but is now suffering from a delubricated "squawk"; this is a serious condition as though the shutter speeds are OK, the shutter travel is not smooth, it is uneven, leading to streaking across the frame. An interesting effect.
I need to bite the bullet and open the old lady up, much as I hate to do this to a mint camera.
My oldest 1950's VX is still OK, but needs work on the slow speed mechanism. I have another VX with the rubberixed shutter that I have attempted to fix by recoating. I don't know if that will last too long. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Minolfan wrote: |
You can choose for an Exakta RTL1000. Good metal (Praktica) shutter. Don't go for the metering prism, not working or expensive and unpleasant in use.
Exakta Varex IIb or VX1000 are fun to use if they work. But some risk of shutter problems or detoriated curtains, that is true.
I am searching a long time for a Exakta > MD adapter, scarce and expensive if they show up. |
+1
Konica Exakta adapter rare but exists and a Konica FC-1 with Exakta lenses just stunning. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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dof
Joined: 04 Feb 2009 Posts: 339 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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dof wrote:
There are Topcon cameras that use the Exakta lens mount. See list here:
http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/T%C5%8Dky%C5%8D_K%C5%8Dgaku |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Usually expensive at least I couldn't buy any cheap. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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kyonthinh
Joined: 30 Mar 2012 Posts: 222 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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kyonthinh wrote:
I think Canon EOS can mount these lens with adapter and doesnt need any correction lens. Or you use Canon FD? |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I'm pretty sure there isn't an adapter for Exakta on EOS.
An old FD body would be close to bottom of my list, maybe the T series are okay but the older ones are so unreliable, I have three mint AE-1s and all three, despite having been barely used are jammed solid. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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fermy
Joined: 17 Feb 2012 Posts: 1974
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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fermy wrote:
For what it's worth, my AE-1 was always working fine. That being said, AE-1 comes from the era when manufacturers started to cut corners in order to lower prices so, for example, the top is painted plastic instead of metal. I wouldn't be surprised if earlier FD cameras are actually more durable and reliable. FTb seems to be made like a tank. _________________ Many lenses and some film bodies for sale here: http://forum.mflenses.com/canon-fd-minolta-md-c-mounts-m42-pentax-and-more-t50465.html
Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/96060788@N06/ |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Earlier ones probably are better in how they are built to last. Last AE-1 I got jammed solid three shots into the first roll. Real shame as it looks like it's never been used.
If anyone would like a mint but jammed AE-1 to repair, you can have it for the postage. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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fuzzywuzzy
Joined: 18 Dec 2010 Posts: 1258 Location: Down East, Canada, eh?
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:45 am Post subject: |
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fuzzywuzzy wrote:
kyonthinh wrote: |
I think Canon EOS can mount these lens with adapter and doesnt need any correction lens. Or you use Canon FD? |
I've got a Hong Kong Big-IS EOS adapter that will fit lenses without the "auto knob", and it does reach infinity. I knew when I bought the adapter that it wouldn't work for the "auto knob" lenses, the Ebay description makes sure to warn you.
Here's a few samples using the adapter:
http://forum.mflenses.com/sun-300-5-6-preset-t49617.html _________________ I welcome C&C, editing my pics and reposting them on the forum is fine.
NEX-F3
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CZJ Sonnar 135/4, Biotar 58/2, Pancolar 50/2, Tessar 50/2.8, Flek 35/2.8, Flek 25/4
Super Takumar 135/2.5, 135/3.5, 100/4 bellows, 50/1.4, 28/3.5
Helios 58/2, 3M-5A 500/8, Mir 20M
Vivitar Series 1 70-210 - - - - - - - - Nikkor 200/4
Rikenon 28/2.8 - - - - - - - - Zeiss 50/1.7 Planar
PB 50/2.4, 135/2.8
Yashica 50/1.9, 28/2.8, 135/2.8
Hexanon 28/3.5, 50/1.4 |
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eggboy
Joined: 20 May 2008 Posts: 190 Location: Western Massachusetts, USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:57 am Post subject: |
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eggboy wrote:
Not sure about Canon EOS film bodies: digital crop bodies can mount Exakta lenses no problem: the full frame 5D* have clearance issues. I know both of these personally....not sure about the 1D series, which have slightly different mirrors than the 5D series. And I've never tried an EOS film body with Exakta lenses.
I've used FD bodies (FTb is great) for film, but the adapter is rare...don't think anyone makes it currently, so you have to find one of the original Canon ones, which usually go for US$75 or more.
Minolta and Konica would be good choices should you find the appropriate vintage adapter. _________________ Eugene
Current Fave Lenses:
Nikkor S.C 5cm/1.4 Rangefinder with Amadeo S>M Mount
Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 5cm/2 Contax RF c. 1937,
Nikkor-N 28/2 Nikon F mount
Digital Cameras:
Nikon Z 6II, Panasonic GX8
Film Cameras:
Ansco B2 6x9 Box Camera
Bronica S2
Nikon F2
List and a photo or two of my lens herd |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:54 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Exakta mount lenses don't protrude at all into an EOS body. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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std
Joined: 09 Feb 2010 Posts: 1826 Location: Bulgaria
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:37 am Post subject: |
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std wrote:
It depends. On EOS some of the exakta lenses are hitting the mirror when you focus to infinity - i will check my lenses but i think the Kilfitt-Makro-Kilar E 3.5/4cm was hitting.
This is only valid for full frame and film bodies i guess - the same lenses will work on crop bodies.
I'm using an EOS film body with this adapter http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=41152
It works for most of them - auto lenses cannot mount but other are just fine. _________________ Stefan
My lens list:
SLR MD: Rokkor 1,7/50 Exakta: Kilfitt-Makro-Kilar E 3.5/4cm; CZJ 2/50 Pancolar;M42: CZJ 2.8/50 Tessar; Mir-1B 2.8/37; Jupiter-9 2/85 T-mount: Tamron 5.9/200; Tamron 6.9/300; Tamron 7.5/400 C-mount: Cosmicar 1.8/50 Y/S: Sun 3.5/38-90, Sun 4/70-210 RF Contax RF: Jupiter-8 2/50; Contax G:CZ 2,8/21 Biogon T; CZ 2,8/28 Biogon T; CZ 2/35 Planar T; CZ 2/45 Planar T; CZ 2,8/90 Sonnar T |
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eggboy
Joined: 20 May 2008 Posts: 190 Location: Western Massachusetts, USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:10 am Post subject: |
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eggboy wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Exakta mount lenses don't protrude at all into an EOS body. |
This issue, at least with my several adapters, on my 5D classic, is the actual bayonet mount just fouls the mirror on the left side. The only exception is a Schneider Xenar, where the mount seems a little flimsy compared to the Biotar and Primoplan, where the metal on the mount is every so slightly thicker, and thusly protrudes just enough into the mount to make the camera, and then me, unhappy. _________________ Eugene
Current Fave Lenses:
Nikkor S.C 5cm/1.4 Rangefinder with Amadeo S>M Mount
Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 5cm/2 Contax RF c. 1937,
Nikkor-N 28/2 Nikon F mount
Digital Cameras:
Nikon Z 6II, Panasonic GX8
Film Cameras:
Ansco B2 6x9 Box Camera
Bronica S2
Nikon F2
List and a photo or two of my lens herd |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:49 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
I now have a Miranda Sensorex, first version, probably from 1967 according to the Mirandacamera page -
http://www.mirandacamera.com/_modelinfo/_sensorex/sensorex.htm
That is a very fine camera ! I was quite surprised at the build quality.
TTL metering on it works very well as far as I can see. Open aperture metering also, but only with the proper Miranda lenses.
Anyway, there is an Exakta-Miranda adapter thats apparently not that rare, and it seems that the Exakta auto lenses mount so that the shutter button works the same way as on the Exaktas, though the arm ends up on the other side of the lens, which is almost upside down. Thats not a big problem though. Another big advantage is you just have to partially press the Exakta lens shutter button to stop down momentarily to get a meter reading on the Miranda. Thats almost as good as open aperture metering.
With the Exakta adapter the Miranda seems to be an almost perfect solution, a quality "modern" SLR thats much cheaper than a Topcon body, but can mount (almost) all Exakta lenses without losing any functionality. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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fuzzywuzzy
Joined: 18 Dec 2010 Posts: 1258 Location: Down East, Canada, eh?
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:57 am Post subject: |
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fuzzywuzzy wrote:
One of the suggestions was a RTL 1000, and after a bit of Evilbay work I've got my Exakta body. Hopefully I'll get a chance to run some film thru it this week.
25mm looks pretty wide on FF, I'm looking forward to this.
_________________ I welcome C&C, editing my pics and reposting them on the forum is fine.
NEX-F3
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CZJ Sonnar 135/4, Biotar 58/2, Pancolar 50/2, Tessar 50/2.8, Flek 35/2.8, Flek 25/4
Super Takumar 135/2.5, 135/3.5, 100/4 bellows, 50/1.4, 28/3.5
Helios 58/2, 3M-5A 500/8, Mir 20M
Vivitar Series 1 70-210 - - - - - - - - Nikkor 200/4
Rikenon 28/2.8 - - - - - - - - Zeiss 50/1.7 Planar
PB 50/2.4, 135/2.8
Yashica 50/1.9, 28/2.8, 135/2.8
Hexanon 28/3.5, 50/1.4 |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:08 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I love my 24mm Konica on 35mm film, really quite addictive, hope you enjoy the Flek as much. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:27 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Problem with Miranda - the Exakta adapters are apparently uncommon and in demand. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Minolfan
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 3439 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
And I missed an adapter for Minolta
Rare too. |
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Minolfan
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 3439 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:35 am Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
fuzzywuzzy wrote: |
One of the suggestions was a RTL 1000, and after a bit of Evilbay work I've got my Exakta body. Hopefully I'll get a chance to run some film thru it this week. |
I see you have the connection for auto aperture on the left bodyrelease! how long is that? I still need to make one of a cable release, because it wasn't added to my RTL I recently acquired.
It is quite a difference when you put a wide angle on your filmcamera when you are used to a APS-C! Nice lens you have, that Flektogon. |
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fuzzywuzzy
Joined: 18 Dec 2010 Posts: 1258 Location: Down East, Canada, eh?
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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fuzzywuzzy wrote:
Minolfan wrote: |
I see you have the connection for auto aperture on the left bodyrelease! how long is that? I still need to make one of a cable release, because it wasn't added to my RTL I recently acquired.
It is quite a difference when you put a wide angle on your filmcamera when you are used to a APS-C! Nice lens you have, that Flektogon. |
The auto aperture connection thingie is ~13mm long, it protrudes ~14mm in total once screwed into the body. Let me know if you want a detailed pic of the thing.
I saw the Flek in a lot with another lens and some misc. Exakta bits BuyItNow for $100 CDN, I wasted no time hitting that BIN button. _________________ I welcome C&C, editing my pics and reposting them on the forum is fine.
NEX-F3
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CZJ Sonnar 135/4, Biotar 58/2, Pancolar 50/2, Tessar 50/2.8, Flek 35/2.8, Flek 25/4
Super Takumar 135/2.5, 135/3.5, 100/4 bellows, 50/1.4, 28/3.5
Helios 58/2, 3M-5A 500/8, Mir 20M
Vivitar Series 1 70-210 - - - - - - - - Nikkor 200/4
Rikenon 28/2.8 - - - - - - - - Zeiss 50/1.7 Planar
PB 50/2.4, 135/2.8
Yashica 50/1.9, 28/2.8, 135/2.8
Hexanon 28/3.5, 50/1.4 |
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Minolfan
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 3439 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
fuzzywuzzy wrote: |
I saw the Flek in a lot with another lens and some misc. Exakta bits BuyItNow for $100 CDN, I wasted no time hitting that BIN button. |
You are right, a real bargain, even for only the Flek!
Thanks for the measuring. I don't need specific pictures as I do not intend to reconstruct the original thing, I will sort out my cable releases and see which one I can use best to butcher. |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
I have an Exakta adapter for Minolta.
I don't like it much, or maybe the concept of Exakta lenses on Minolta is flawed. Or maybe its just the SRT series.
On the SRT its only good for relatively narrow-bodied lenses with no arms, as these all run into the lens release button.
Anyway, if you want it, I'd be glad to sell it (relatively) cheap.
PM me if you are interested. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Minolfan
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 3439 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
luisalegria wrote: |
I have an Exakta adapter for Minolta.
I don't like it much, or maybe the concept of Exakta lenses on Minolta is flawed. Or maybe its just the SRT series.
On the SRT its only good for relatively narrow-bodied lenses with no arms, as these all run into the lens release button.
Anyway, if you want it, I'd be glad to sell it (relatively) cheap.
PM me if you are interested. |
I have sent you a PM but it appears not to have arrived, I will try once more |
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