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TLN
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:25 pm Post subject: Rollei HFT 50 1.8 |
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TLN wrote:
Hi all.
I've recenply got a 5d2 and i have 2 manual 50's lens:
Super Takumar 50 1.4, 8 element, old and rare.
Minolta Rokkor 58 1.4 MC PF
But none of this are easy to use on a 5d because of a mirror.
Super tak is quite hard to modify, because of a rear lens.
Rokkor is possible to modify, just need to shave a metal around rear lens.
But i've heard lots of good things about subject: Rollei HFT 50 1.8.
As far as i know(googled =), it have QBM mount and there's QBM to EOS adapters.
But it marked in a table of compatible leses as Compatible with modifications.
So here's the quiestions:
1. What should i do to make it work on a 5d?
2. Does it have any sense as i have two lens i've mentioned? The're 1.4 not 1.8 and at least Rokkor is fully useful on 5d2 with some modifications.
3. How does it in comparsion with 50 1.4 HFT? I've heard lots of goods about 1.8 version, haven't head alot about 1.4. |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I had a Rollei HFT Planar, good lens, sharp and no CA. However, I didn't think better than other good 50mm lenses that are easier to find and cheaper.
There are adapters to EOS, but they are slightly too thick to give infinity, this is due to the small difference between the registration of the EOS and the Rollei, and you can't make the metal adapter thin enough, would be too fragile.
My advice is to pick something else that will work on your EOS. There are many good 50mm lenses, one I really like is the Pancolar 1.8/50, in M42 it will work fine on your EOS.
Another very good one I like a lot is the Pentax-M 1.7/50, it is cheap and easy to find, the coatings are very good and it is very sharp.
If your budget allows it, then the Contax T* 1.7/50 Planar is the one to get, definitely works fine on EOS and many EOS users use one. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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poilu
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
you can dremel the mirror, or you can use those lens in liveview when you need infinity _________________ T* |
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TLN
Joined: 18 Sep 2010 Posts: 17
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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TLN wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
I had a Rollei HFT Planar, good lens, sharp and no CA. However, I didn't think better than other good 50mm lenses that are easier to find and cheaper.
There are adapters to EOS, but they are slightly too thick to give infinity, this is due to the small difference between the registration of the EOS and the Rollei, and you can't make the metal adapter thin enough, would be too fragile.
My advice is to pick something else that will work on your EOS. There are many good 50mm lenses, one I really like is the Pancolar 1.8/50, in M42 it will work fine on your EOS.
Another very good one I like a lot is the Pentax-M 1.7/50, it is cheap and easy to find, the coatings are very good and it is very sharp.
If your budget allows it, then the Contax T* 1.7/50 Planar is the one to get, definitely works fine on EOS and many EOS users use one. |
Thanks for your input.
So you think there's nothing so-much special in it and i can look aroud other leneses?
Contax T* 1.7/50 Planar and Contax T* 1.4/50 Planar will be a nice choice?
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you can dremel the mirror, or you can use those lens in liveview when you need infinity |
Don't want to dremel it. Once i need infinity on a Takumar i'm using it in life view.
Actually i wand a nice 50mm lens with a "interesting" bokeh. Some that look a bit stange.
In my opinion Rokkor have a nice bokeh, quite standart, but it works fine in almost every situation. Rokkor's one is a bit more intesting with a harder lightes out-of-focus. But not too much diference. And now i'm coming for something third. Like OM 55/1.2 (or 50/1.2, not sure =). |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
The T* Planars are definitely a good choice, they are top of the tree.
If bokeh is your prime concern then I would recommend a Biotar 2/58. Other good ones for bokeh are the Meyer Primoplan 1.9/58 (very expensive these days, sadly) or the Meyer Primotar 3.5/50 (cheap).
Another one with great bokeh is the Meyer Oreston 1.8/50 (also seen with Pentacon label). The Pancolar 1.8/50 has nice bokeh too.
Many say the Chinon 1.7/55 has wonderful painterly bokeh, I haven't tried one myself.
Some samples:
Biotar 2/58, it has swirly bokeh
Oreston 1.8/50, it has very smooth bokeh
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fuzzywuzzy
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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fuzzywuzzy wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
If bokeh is your prime concern then I would recommend a Biotar 2/58.
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The Russian Helios 44 is a Biotar clone, widely and cheaply available. There is some copy variation, but they can offer almost as good performance for peanuts.
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Cheers fuzzywuzzy (BTW, I typed your nick fussywussy by accident first time round, which sounds rather insulting and amusing
I agree about the Helios, a good one is as good as the Biotar, I have one that is sharper than my Biotar and a really top lens, the bokeh of the Helios can be swirlier too, but it depends on the copy. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Attila
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
+1 what Ian said basically any 50mm lens has good bokeh and sharpness, hard to find bad one.
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TLN
Joined: 18 Sep 2010 Posts: 17
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:25 am Post subject: |
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TLN wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
The T* Planars are definitely a good choice, they are top of the tree.
If bokeh is your prime concern then I would recommend a Biotar 2/58. Other good ones for bokeh are the Meyer Primoplan 1.9/58 (very expensive these days, sadly) or the Meyer Primotar 3.5/50 (cheap).
Another one with great bokeh is the Meyer Oreston 1.8/50 (also seen with Pentacon label). The Pancolar 1.8/50 has nice bokeh too.
Many say the Chinon 1.7/55 has wonderful painterly bokeh, I haven't tried one myself.
Some samples:
Biotar 2/58, it has swirly bokeh
Oreston 1.8/50, it has very smooth bokeh
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Just curious about the Top Three 50mm lens =) What're the rest of them?
If mentioned that Biotar 2/58 is a copy of Helios 44... I havent tried it on a fullframe, but it doesn't look like a superb lens. I'm just using a Minolta 58 1.4 that a full-stop faster, and quite good wide open, IMO.
Meyer optiks have a nice bokeh, i'm looking at them often, but they're quite pricey. But all of them have a bokeh, like i'm looking for .I'm bot a super-fan of manuals to spend 200$ more on a fifty. The exception may be Rokkor 58 1.2
Also i want to teke some shots with Minolta first, I believe it will be superb at FF.
Too bad i got a rare 8-element version of super-tak, that cannot fit 5d. Just didn't know about this once i way paying =( |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:22 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Impossible to pick a top three 50mm, there are no absolutes, just varying characteristics.
The Meyer Oreston 1.8/50 is pretty cheap, less than 50USD, the Pentacon badged version is even cheaper, 30USD or less. The Primotar 3.5/50 is cheap too but not so common, you should be able to find one for about 50USD.
A good copy of the Helios 44 is a superb lens, I have one that is really, really great.
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TLN
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:42 am Post subject: |
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TLN wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Impossible to pick a top three 50mm, there are no absolutes, just varying characteristics.
The Meyer Oreston 1.8/50 is pretty cheap, less than 50USD, the Pentacon badged version is even cheaper, 30USD or less. The Primotar 3.5/50 is cheap too but not so common, you should be able to find one for about 50USD.
A good copy of the Helios 44 is a superb lens, I have one that is really, really great.
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Yea, Helios is a nice lens. But i live in Kazachstan, that ex-USSR, and almost everyone, who starts looking at manual lens for DSLR gets that helios. Just want to get something different =)
Anyway, i was asking about HFT 50 1.8 and got the idea that it's not a superb lens to rush for it.
Will modify my Minolta and decide then. |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:52 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I don't understand what you want, you say you want bokeh but don't want a Helios.
The Rollei 1.8/50 is a very good lens but isn't going to give you anything special in bokeh terms.
I think you need to figure out what you want before you can find it.
The Rollei is sharp and has no CA, but it's not got a lot of character in it's rendering.
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Aanything
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:02 am Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
My fujinon 1.4/50 is a good lens and it has a peculiar bokeh: I've grown to like it a little better than my tak 1.4/50 (which is great,anyway).
It's usually quite expensive*, like all fast primes, but with some patience you can find it for very reasonable price: I have two, and paid around 50usd for each, and one had a fujica body attached.
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TLN
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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TLN wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
I don't understand what you want, you say you want bokeh but don't want a Helios.
The Rollei 1.8/50 is a very good lens but isn't going to give you anything special in bokeh terms.
I think you need to figure out what you want before you can find it.
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May be you're right in your last sentence.
I don't want to *BUY* Helios-44, because lots of friends have this, and i can take it easily for a shoot.
Personally i find 58/1.4 Rokkor better then 58/2 heh, at least in paper.
What i want is something fifty 50 1.4 to 1.8 with an interesting bokeh. What i mean by interesting?
Something like this:
vision of trioplan by dapalmerpeter (slow & low), on Flickr
This
Hope you got the idea. |
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ChromaticAberration
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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ChromaticAberration wrote:
Like the name of that picture states, that is the typical bokeh that a Trioplan will give you, maybe the Pentacon version too, not sure, but these are 100mm lenses, not 50mm. _________________ Body: Fujifilm X-E1
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TLN
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:57 am Post subject: |
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TLN wrote:
Well, the last one shot taken with Mayer 50 1.8. Looks promising =) |
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feanolas
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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feanolas wrote:
From what I remember, neither the Rollei nor the Contax will allow enough mirror clearance to be used on a 5D. You would have to go for a more expensive 1.4/50 to have a planar on your 5D !
But then, there are lots of other 50s out there... |
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