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Abbazz
Joined: 23 Jun 2007 Posts: 1098 Location: Jakarta
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:04 am Post subject: Apo Saphir Boyer F/10.0 300mm |
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Abbazz wrote:
Boyer is a French lens maker founded in 1895. The Établissements Boyer have produced a number of fine lenses for photography, cinematography and also for industry and the military. If you are interested in Boyer Lenses, I recommend you read the very nice writeup by Dan Fromm and Éric Beltrando about Boyer (available both in English and French).
One of the most famous lens produced by Boyer is the Apo Saphir. It's a five element in three group (Heliar formula) process lens, specially formulated for high quality repro work. As its name suggests, the lens has apochromatic correction, and comes in different focal lengths, ranging from 50mm to 2500mm. I have read (but is it really true ?) that this lens was so sharp and had so few defects that it could be used to make counterfeit money looking as good as the real thing! Therefore, the owners of an Apo Saphir had to register it before the French Customs, in order for the Customs officers to be able to track down the lenses in circulation.
I have recently acquired a 300/10 Apo Saphir to use on my 13x18 Linhof Technika. I couldn't resist trying the lens on a DSLR, just to see what it could deliver -- don't forget that lenses designed for large format coverage often have less that stellar resolution when used on high density sensors, like those found on modern DSLRs. Of course, I used my universal iris lens holder to mount the lens in front of a vintage Pentax *ist D. In fact the pictures came out rather well for a fifty years old 300mm lens used in front of an outdated 6MPix sensor (click on a picture to see it full size):
The mandatory neighbor's TV aerial is remarkably free from aberrations:
This is the lens itself :
Cheers!
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
I guess it's pretty amazing to see that lens on large format! _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Gerris2
Joined: 09 Oct 2011 Posts: 229 Location: Wilmington, Delaware USA
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Gerris2 wrote:
Beautiful results from this old lens! It is remarkable you can fit the large plate into the iris of your universal iris lens holder. _________________ Joseph |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
What a fantastic job! Photos look nice and crisp...I miss France _________________ Graham - Moderator
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Abbazz
Joined: 23 Jun 2007 Posts: 1098 Location: Jakarta
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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Abbazz wrote:
Thanks guys!
Gerris2 wrote: |
It is remarkable you can fit the large plate into the iris of your universal iris lens holder. |
I have unscrewed the lens from he mounting plate to put it inside the lens holder. The bare lens is equipped with a 54mm screw mount.
Cheers!
Abbazz _________________ Il n'y a rien dans le monde qui n'ait son moment decisif, et le chef-d'oeuvre de la bonne conduite est de connaitre et de prendre ce moment. - Cardinal de Retz
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pich900
Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 1745 Location: The Netherlands/Zwolle
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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pich900 wrote:
Superb results with this great French lens....The lens is quite heavy so I was wondering how it can stay stable when attached to your lens holder .....Anyway, I have also this lens and I did not find yet a good solution to used it on bellows, my only samples are with the lens attached with some black tape directly on the mount of the bellows ....
here are two test/samples with mine :
this one is in full resolution and without any PP:
Quite impressive resolution from this lens ..... _________________ All my lenses are for sale, nikkor, Angenieux, Zeiss etc.....
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Abbazz
Joined: 23 Jun 2007 Posts: 1098 Location: Jakarta
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Abbazz wrote:
pich900 wrote: |
Superb results with this great French lens....The lens is quite heavy so I was wondering how it can stay stable when attached to your lens holder .....Anyway, I have also this lens and I did not find yet a good solution to used it on bellows, my only samples are with the lens attached with some black tape directly on the mount of the bellows .... |
Thanks. The iris from the lens holder is made from quite sturdy steel and when the lock is tightened, it is able to hold in place a rather heavy lens. I wouldn't try to make any sudden movement with this contraption though...
pich900 wrote: |
here are two test/samples with mine :
this one is in full resolution and without any PP:
Quite impressive resolution from this lens ..... |
Yes, very impressive resolution indeed... The D700 looks much sharper than the *ist D, but the old camera + lens combo is not so bad considering the 6 MPix pictures were taken handheld and wide open -- even though the max aperture is only F/10 on this lens!
Cheers!
Abbazz _________________ Il n'y a rien dans le monde qui n'ait son moment decisif, et le chef-d'oeuvre de la bonne conduite est de connaitre et de prendre ce moment. - Cardinal de Retz
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danfromm
Joined: 04 Sep 2011 Posts: 595
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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danfromm wrote:
Eric's calculations find that the Apo-Saphir is aberration free over roughly 30 degrees at f/22. At larger apertures it is very very good but not quite the best available. I've shot my 300/10 Apo Saphir (s/n 614259) against a 305/9 Apo Nikkor. They're equal from f/16 down, at larger apertures the Apo Nikkor is a bit better.
Eric and I weren't able to make as good a Boyer chronology as we wanted. My 240/10 Apo-Saphir (s/n 689511) came with a QC slip dated 10/64, so there's one good data point. Another 240 (s/n 775003) seen on eBay had a QC slip dated 12/67. Seb, yours (778364) was probably made in 1968.
IMO, Apo-Saphirs are still underappreciated and underpriced. Their biggest drawback for use on LF cameras is that few of the ones sold in barrel have cells that will go into a standard shutter.
Good snag, Seb. I'm glad to see that someone else realizes they're good for more than holding papers down. |
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ManuallyYours
Joined: 21 Jun 2012 Posts: 35 Location: Lyon, FRANCE
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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ManuallyYours wrote:
Superbe ! Just amazing lens and pictures.
How do you mount this lens on your dslr ? |
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:58 am Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
I am blown away and msemerized by the usage you guys get out of these wonderful vintage lenses!
Abbazz, that third image (blue Grape Hyacinths?) has some wonderful bokeh.
pich900, that image of the wilting roses is simply gorgeous.
Love to see you guys doing this. Someday I hope to have the time to delve into things like this.
Best,
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:12 am Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
+1
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Abbazz
Joined: 23 Jun 2007 Posts: 1098 Location: Jakarta
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:48 am Post subject: |
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Abbazz wrote:
ManuallyYours wrote: |
Superbe ! Just amazing lens and pictures.
How do you mount this lens on your dslr ? |
Thanks for the kind words.
I use my universal iris bellows (just click on the link for some pictures).
Cheers!
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rbelyell
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:55 am Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
awesome work, both of you. i'm stunned by the rose.
i have an old bakelight boyer 6x6 that ive never used--these make me want to put a roll through her!
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Abbazz
Joined: 23 Jun 2007 Posts: 1098 Location: Jakarta
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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Abbazz wrote:
Laurence wrote: |
I am blown away and msemerized by the usage you guys get out of these wonderful vintage lenses!
Abbazz, that third image (blue Grape Hyacinths?) has some wonderful bokeh. |
Thanks guys!
The bokeh does indeed look surprisingly good. The lack of color fringes (thanks to the apochromatic formula) in the out of focus areas certainly helps.
Cheers!
Abbazz _________________ Il n'y a rien dans le monde qui n'ait son moment decisif, et le chef-d'oeuvre de la bonne conduite est de connaitre et de prendre ce moment. - Cardinal de Retz
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Abbazz
Joined: 23 Jun 2007 Posts: 1098 Location: Jakarta
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Abbazz wrote:
rbelyell wrote: |
awesome work, both of you. |
Thank you Sir.
i have an old bakelight boyer 6x6 that ive never used--these make me want to put a roll through her![/quote]
It would be a crime not to do so!
Cheers!
Abbazz _________________ Il n'y a rien dans le monde qui n'ait son moment decisif, et le chef-d'oeuvre de la bonne conduite est de connaitre et de prendre ce moment. - Cardinal de Retz
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danfromm
Joined: 04 Sep 2011 Posts: 595
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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danfromm wrote:
rbelyell wrote: |
i have an old bakelight boyer 6x6 that ive never used--these make me want to put a roll through her!
tony |
Um, are you sure it is a 6x6? I ask because the bakelite-bodied camera most people blame on Boyer is the Photax, a 6x9er made by M.I.O.M. You can read about them here: http://www.collection-appareils.fr/general/html/listeM_imagettes.php , scroll down to Miom
Boyer supplied M.I.O.M. with meniscus lenses, focal length around 105 mm, maximum aperture f/11 or so. I've never had a Photax, have seen shots taken with them on the 'net. The lens doesn't seem to cover 6x9.
The only thing the meniscus lenses have in common with the Apo-Saphir is the maker. The Apo-Saphir is very good, the meniscii aren't. |
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