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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:55 pm Post subject: Meyer Optik Görlitz Orestegor 300mm f/4 |
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woodrim wrote:
Thank you to all who recommended this lens. Although it is very large and heavy, I very much like using it and the results seem just fine. Relatively little CA and sharp at f/4. I think the images have a very nice color and bokeh. I actually have two of these, so just listed one in the Marketplace.
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blende8
Joined: 29 Sep 2007 Posts: 260 Location: Bremen, Germany
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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blende8 wrote:
I once had one for a short while, but I found the bad color correction problematic. For b/w ok.
100% crop:
Is it this one?
_________________ Best wishes, Wieland
K-1, K-5IIs
Pentax, mysterium quod absconditum fuit ...
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Looks a little different. I only applied CA correction to one of the fence pictures. The statues received no correction and were shot at f/4. I adjusted contrast minimally, but color looks fine to me. Here's the one:
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indianadinos
Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 1310 Location: Toulouse, France
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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indianadinos wrote:
Hi,
woodrim wrote: |
Looks a little different. I only applied CA correction to one of the fence pictures. The statues received no correction and were shot at f/4. I adjusted contrast minimally, but color looks fine to me. Here's the one:
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This looks like mine, ex-P6, with a removable mount ...
One of these days should really go out testing it ...
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Meyer: Primagon 35/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Orestor 135/2.8
Schacht/Steinheil: Travenar 90/2.8, Travenon 135/4.5, Quinar 135/2.8, Quinar 135/3.5
Russian: MIR 37B, Industar 50/3.5, Helios 44M & 44M-2, Jupiter 37A
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Ivo
Joined: 07 Oct 2007 Posts: 109 Location: Maastricht
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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Ivo wrote:
I have a 4.5/300 in M42. Tried it this weekend outdoors in the sun, it dose have some issues when shooting at a sharp angle to the sun. Colour rendition improves greatly if you're shooting at more than 90 degrees from the sun. |
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Nordentro
Joined: 24 Jun 2010 Posts: 4713 Location: Lillehammer, Norway
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
I have the Pentacon branded version of this lens, but I have never tried properly. It's to massive to just bring for a walk
Thx for posting your results! _________________ Lars | Manuellfokus.no |
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blende8
Joined: 29 Sep 2007 Posts: 260 Location: Bremen, Germany
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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blende8 wrote:
Yes, it's 2 kg!
Here's the aperture of my lens (19 blades):
Nice round CoC:
_________________ Best wishes, Wieland
K-1, K-5IIs
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Honestly, I know very little of the Meyer brand and its series of lenses. This is the first Meyer I have purchased. I would suspect the f/4.5 version is an entirely different lens, and they seemed to be priced less on ebay. I do understand that Meyer became Pentacon at some point, but wonder if that in any way affected production. So far I am only experiencing good things from this lens, including the extra exercise by carrying it around, although my left arm started to give out after a while.
I have found that I react very quickly to lenses. Some just feel right from the beginning and others don't. My experiences are sometimes different than others'. For instance, I never liked using my Takumar 28mm while others praised it. The MIR 1B didn't impress me while the Helios 44-2 does. This Orestegor feels good and I like what I see through the lens. It seems to focus easily and the results are very pleasing to my eye. It performs well fully open, but to be fair, a starting point of f/4 isn't as challenging to a lens as are the faster ones. I do realize that a tripod will be a necessity, so it does lack convenience. _________________ Regards,
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
blende8 wrote: |
Nice round CoC:
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Wow, how much better can that get? I have not yet shot at higher number than f5.6. _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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Big Dawg
Joined: 28 Jan 2009 Posts: 2530 Location: Thach Alabama
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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Big Dawg wrote:
woodrim wrote: |
Honestly, I know very little of the Meyer brand and its series of lenses. This is the first Meyer I have purchased. I would suspect the f/4.5 version is an entirely different lens, and they seemed to be priced less on ebay. I do understand that Meyer became Pentacon at some point, but wonder if that in any way affected production. So far I am only experiencing good things from this lens, including the extra exercise by carrying it around, although my left arm started to give out after a while.
I have found that I react very quickly to lenses. Some just feel right from the beginning and others don't. My experiences are sometimes different than others'. For instance, I never liked using my Takumar 28mm while others praised it. The MIR 1B didn't impress me while the Helios 44-2 does. This Orestegor feels good and I like what I see through the lens. It seems to focus easily and the results are very pleasing to my eye. It performs well fully open, but to be fair, a starting point of f/4 isn't as challenging to a lens as are the faster ones. I do realize that a tripod will be a necessity, so it does lack convenience. |
I loved mine and regret selling it to this day. I shot mine mainly hand held but it does better when used with a tripod. Of my pre-set lens it was the best. Very good photos there showing it's good color rendition. _________________ Big Dawg |
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blende8
Joined: 29 Sep 2007 Posts: 260 Location: Bremen, Germany
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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blende8 wrote:
My copy above is the latest version ever built by Meyer Optik Görlitz.
It was made in 1990, shortly before the liquidation of the company. Prize new was ca. 300 DM.
The lens illuminates the 6x6 format. Thus its size.
You can attach various adapters, e.g. M42, Praktica, Nikon, Pentax PK, T2.
If you remove the adapter, you have the K6 mount (Exakta 66 / Pentacon Six):
_________________ Best wishes, Wieland
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I don't have this lens, but Alessandro speaks very well of it. He reports little or no CA.
I think there is the ever seen problem with GDR lenses: copy variation. Especially in the last period the GDR lenses from both Zeiss and Meyer seem to suffer from big variancy in quality, and alongside with great copies you can find some dog ones. Older makes, such as the zebras or even before, the aluminiums, have weaker coating than the MC version, but seem much more reliable copy-variation wise. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Ivo
Joined: 07 Oct 2007 Posts: 109 Location: Maastricht
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Ivo wrote:
blende8 wrote: |
My copy above is the latest version ever built by Meyer Optik Görlitz.
It was made in 1990, shortly before the liquidation of the company. Prize new was ca. 300 DM.
The lens illuminates the 6x6 format. Thus its size.
You can attach various adapters, e.g. M42, Praktica, Nikon, Pentax PK, T2.
If you remove the adapter, you have the K6 mount (Exakta 66 / Pentacon Six):
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YOu mean the whole barrel after the tripod mount? It's indeed odd that my M42 version is getting a lot smaller at this point (if I unscruw part of the housing).
19 blades in the aperture look about right for my 4.5/300 too, they're mounted absolutely the same.
Due to it's size I don't use it that much, I need such lenses for sports photography and it's simply too bulky to do any panning shots. |
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blende8
Joined: 29 Sep 2007 Posts: 260 Location: Bremen, Germany
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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blende8 wrote:
Ivo wrote: |
YOu mean the whole barrel after the tripod mount? |
Yes, this conus is the adapter. You can unscrew it. _________________ Best wishes, Wieland
K-1, K-5IIs
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Ivo
Joined: 07 Oct 2007 Posts: 109 Location: Maastricht
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Ivo wrote:
blende8 wrote: |
Ivo wrote: |
YOu mean the whole barrel after the tripod mount? |
Yes, this conus is the adapter. You can unscrew it. |
Aha, I thought so. Three screws are visible. Not that I want to change it, M42 is ok for me . |
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:41 am Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
I have mostly been shooting this lens at f/4, and while it is very much acceptable in sharpness, it certainly isn't as sharp as others of my lenses. However, this may be the first lens I've had where I can appreciate overall image quality as something that trumps sharpness.
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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Nelson wrote:
I have a copy of this lens. http://forum.mflenses.com/meyer-optik-orestegor-300-f4-t7560.html
I enjoy using it, but i think it is not as sharp as my Tair 3S.
The Orestegor is also very heavy, but i used it at Le Mans Classic 2008 and succeed some fine shoots.
http://309gti.xu9ja.free.fr/Voitures/2008/2008_07_12_LeMansClassic/LMC2008_pp2010.htm
(do not take care about 50mm f2 )
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Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
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Ivo
Joined: 07 Oct 2007 Posts: 109 Location: Maastricht
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:04 am Post subject: |
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Ivo wrote:
Nelson, did you manage to pan with this enormous lens? I had some issues with it, only after taking an 'easy shot' at the Namur cyclocross I was convinced that this lens can be good.
Shooting riders at a tight angle to the sun and at higher speed was not so succesful:
While turning away from the sun a lot more (probably 100-120 degrees from the sun) and a slower subject changed the colours tremendously (and the sharpness):
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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:07 am Post subject: |
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Nelson wrote:
Ivo wrote: |
Nelson, did you manage to pan with this enormous lens? |
I tried, but i had few space to pan, light was lacking and i was afraid not to succeed holding the lens, that's is why shutter speed is fast.
I will try one again _________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm |
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3702 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:20 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Orio wrote: |
I don't have this lens, but Alessandro speaks very well of it. He reports little or no CA.
I think there is the ever seen problem with GDR lenses: copy variation. Especially in the last period the GDR lenses from both Zeiss and Meyer seem to suffer from big variancy in quality, and alongside with great copies you can find some dog ones. Older makes, such as the zebras or even before, the aluminiums, have weaker coating than the MC version, but seem much more reliable copy-variation wise. |
+1
I have few versions 4/300mm and funny, newer, though looking awesome and being in state "as new" produce more chromatic aberration then 20-30 years older samples. As if latest MC would be a miss. I am pretty sure though in some conditions newer would act better i just didn't found out what would that conditions be .
Could new MC in spite of worst CA produced better sharpness and detail resolution? _________________ ---------------------------------
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Any idea what approximate year mine would be? _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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spleenone
Joined: 26 Dec 2009 Posts: 1130 Location: Slovakia
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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spleenone wrote:
Pancolart wrote: |
Orio wrote: |
I don't have this lens, but Alessandro speaks very well of it. He reports little or no CA.
I think there is the ever seen problem with GDR lenses: copy variation. Especially in the last period the GDR lenses from both Zeiss and Meyer seem to suffer from big variancy in quality, and alongside with great copies you can find some dog ones. Older makes, such as the zebras or even before, the aluminiums, have weaker coating than the MC version, but seem much more reliable copy-variation wise. |
+1
I have few versions 4/300mm and funny, newer, though looking awesome and being in state "as new" produce more chromatic aberration then 20-30 years older samples. As if latest MC would be a miss. I am pretty sure though in some conditions newer would act better i just didn't found out what would that conditions be .
Could new MC in spite of worst CA produced better sharpness and detail resolution? |
Like its smooth OOF rendering. Pleasant look.
I found three versions on web. Now find out which is better and in which aspect. Would nice addition to my P6 pack. Could it somebody compare to CZJ Sonnar 300/4? Cheers. _________________ Shoot on analog mainly with
Nikkor glass
then Pentacon6TL for squares
and Fujica GL690 in case of 6x9
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
From the weekend shoot at Shem Creek...
This one into the sun:
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Woodrim |
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
This is a beast of a lens to carry around, but I love using it. For whatever rason, I seem to like using long lenses for portraits. My son visited for the holidays and posed for me during a walk on the beach. I thought I would share these pictures from this wonderful lens.
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Woodrim |
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ricardovaste
Joined: 06 Jan 2011 Posts: 19
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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ricardovaste wrote:
Very interesting lens. I had a 35mm lens once, seemed to have incredible build quality, but never actually shot with it, as it was damaged & I was using it for spares.
Some great samples here too. The bokeh looks almost glassy at time, I really like the character. |
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