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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:38 pm Post subject: Meyer Görlitz Primagon V 35/4.5 M42 - big surprise |
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no-X wrote:
Meyer Görlitz Primagon V 35/4.5 M42
I didn't expect too much from this lens. Very old, one of the first european retrofocal designs, front element is uncoated (only the inner are)... I was wrong. The only weak point is colour vignetting.
The lens is very sharp. At least comparable to S-M-C Takumar 35/3.5 or MC Flektogon 35/2.4. The lens is very sharp even wide-open. I see almost no difference in sharpness between f/4.5 - f/8 or f/11.
CA is verly low, almost none. Lower than I see on Flektogon 35/2.4 images.
The lens is contrasty, not like majority of old lenses. I adjusted contrast only in similar amount as for modern lenses. Colours are very vivid.
The uncoated front element is great advantage - there are no coating marks which would decimate contrast.
MFD is under 40cm.
"S" in the triangle doesn't mean "schlecht", as I expected, but "superb"
Here are some quick samples - if anybody know any utility, which can easily remove the colour vignetting, I'd be wery thankful.
f/8
f/4.5 (wide-opened) - look at the sharpness of in-focus item!
f/5.6
f/11 - colour (green) vignetting is more visible at f/11
flares at f/8:
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
"Slow" lenses often have the advantage that they can be used "wide open". _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
LucisPictor wrote: |
"Slow" lenses often have the advantage that they can be used "wide open". |
It's just a shame that they don't open very wide! _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
It's much sharper than Scheider-Kreuznach Curtagon 35/2.8 or 35/2 Takumars at f/4.5
The green vignetting can be easily corrected even in photoshop:
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Wormhandler
Joined: 19 May 2008 Posts: 106 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Wormhandler wrote:
Impressive results.
I have never seen one for sale in Sweden. Are they rare?
/Jan _________________
Those which I use:
Carl Zeiss Jena:Tessar 5cm 3,5 Tessar 2,8 50mm (3 versions), Sonnar 135mm 3,5, Tessar 135mm 4,5 (Compur), Flektogon 35mm 2,4, Sonnar 180mm 2,8, Sonnar 300mm 4
Cosina Voigtländer:125mm 2,5 Macro APO Lanthar.
Enna Werk Munchen:Tele-zoom 85-250mm
Ernst Leitz Wetzlar:Voort 90mm 4, Hektor 135mm 4,5
Helios:Helios 44-4 (& 44-2) 58mm 2
Industar:Industar 5cm 3,5, Industar-22 5cm 3,5-rangefinder
Isco Göttingen:Tele Westanar 180mm 4
Meyer Optik Görlitz:Lydith 30mm 3,5, Domiplan 50mm 2,8, Primotar 50 3,5, Orestor 135mm 2,8, Telemegor 150 5,5, Telemegor 180mm 5,5, Orestegor 200mm 4 Telemegor 400mm 5,6.
Mir:Mir 1B 37mm 2,8
Nikon:
Nikkor 35 1.4, Nikkor 85 2, Series E 35mm 2,5, Nikkor 35mm 2, Micro Nikkor 55mm 2,8, Series E 100mm 2,8, Nikkor 135m 2,8, Zoom-Nikkor 35-105mm.
Olympus:F-Zuiko Auto-S 50mm 1.8 (m42), E-zuiko Auto-T 135mm 2,5 (m42), Zuiko 85mm 2 MC (OM)
Panagor (Same as vivitar i Guess):28mm 2,5, 200mm 3,5
Pentacon29mm 2,8, 50mm 1,8, 135mm 2,8
Pentax:Auto takumar 35mm 3.5
SMC-takumar 28 3.5, SMC-Takumar 50mm 1.4, SMC-takumar 135mm 3.5, Takumar (bayonet) 135mm 2.5,Takumar 500mm 4
SMC M 35mm 3.5, SMC M 40 2.8, SMC M 50mm 2, SMC M 50mm 1.7, SMC A 50mm 2, SMC M 100 2.8, SMC M 100mm 4 Macro, SMC M 135mm 3,5 SMC M 200mm 4, SMC M 80-200mm 4,5
Shacht af Ulm:Edixa travenar 50mm 2,8, Edixa Travenar 135mm 3,5
Schneider KreuznachXenar 50mm 3,5, Xenar 50mm 2,8, Radionar 80mm 2,9 (Folder), Radionar 10,5cm 4,5 (Folder), Tele-Xenar 135mm 3,5, Symmar 150mm 5,6, Tele-Xenar 200mm 5,5.
Soligor:100-300mm 5 C/D.
Steinheil:Actinar 10,5cm 4,5 (Prontor)
Tamron:Adaptall2 28mm 2.5, Adaptall2 35-70 3.5, Auto Tamron 28 2.8, Auto.tamron 105 2.5, Auto-tamron 135 2.8, Auto Tamron 200 3.5, Auto Tamron 300 5.6 Tamron SP 70-210 3.5-4
Tokyo Koki:Tele-Tokina 135mm 2.8, Tele-Tokina 135mm 3.5 (brand kennex), Tele-Tokina 300 5.5.
Vivitar:Series 1 70-210 (Kiron)
Yashica:
Auto Yashinon-DX 50mm 1.7, Auto Yashinon-DX 50mm 2, Yashica ML 50mm 1.7, Yashica ML 50mm 2 |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
It did shock me too , damn good lens. _________________ -------------------------------
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Wormhandler wrote: |
Impressive results.
I have never seen one for sale in Sweden. Are they rare?
/Jan |
Not very rare and not common at all , showing up month by month on ebay. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
Impressive results indeed. But why on earth is the front element uncoated, but the internal elements are? You are sure the coating is not just wiped off? (I.e. are other Primagons the same?)
Also, I have never seen this color vignetting... _________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
Wormhandler: It seems they are rare, but not overly expensive. I'm not sure if I saw M42 version here in Czech Republic (maybe once?). My copy is from Germany - bought together with old Praktica body.
But the lens is real surprise for me. No any other Meyer alu lens, i have ever tried, was so sharp. Trioplans were quite sharp at f/8 and beyond. Primoplan was softer than Trioplans (maybe slightly sharper at f/4-f/5), but not really sharp. Telefogar a bit better. But Primagon is completely different. _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Spotmatic wrote: |
Also, I have never seen this color vignetting... |
This is really weird indeed. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
Here is the fist sample with correction of vignetting.
Spotmatic & LucisPictor: I think the color vignetting isn't issue of the lens, but it's caused by the combination of the lens design and design of the Sigma body: IR filter is located tenths of mm beyond the last optical element of the Primagon and the central rays pass shorter distance through the IR glass, than the border ones, which pass sideways. Not sure if my explanation is understandable
The front element is absolutely smooth, not any single scratch, anything... _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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piticu
Joined: 04 Aug 2008 Posts: 591 Location: Romania
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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piticu wrote:
Till now every Meyer Optik that i've seen was a very nice surprise. Looks like the germans were doing a hell of a job with this lenses.
I'm glad you like the Primagon, the samples are impressive indeed. _________________ www.atelierelealbe.eu |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:02 am Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
Hi, No-X
Great lens!!!
It seems to be sharp like my flektagon 35/2,4
Obviously it is sharp, HAVE THE "S" in the triangle
Regards, Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:29 am Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
I was told, that some lenses designed for Contax SLRs, were marked by letter "S" (="Sonder" or "Special") and it should mean highest quality... But I don't know... the lens is definately good copy, but it would be 3rd symbol with the same meaning (1Q / 1Δ / SΔ) and that would be quite strange... _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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dakoo
Joined: 08 Mar 2008 Posts: 603
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:40 am Post subject: |
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dakoo wrote:
image links are dead now _________________ Yashica ML 2.4/24, ML 2.4./28,
Zeiss Distagon 35/1.4, Planer 1.4/50, Planer 1.7/50,
SMC Tak 1.4/50,Tessar 2.8/50, Jupiter2/85
CZJ 4/135; Pentacon 4/200
Canon Tns 24/3.5
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:44 am Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
dakoo wrote: |
image links are dead now |
They still work here! _________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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Eugen Mezei
Joined: 17 May 2008 Posts: 266
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Eugen Mezei wrote:
no-X wrote: |
it would be 3rd symbol with the same meaning (1Q / 1Δ / SΔ) and that would be quite strange... |
They had a system of this symbols, in fact if I remember two systems, one for export and one for the internal market. If it is of interest I can look in my smartbooks about this. I saw it somewhere described. |
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