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decimusmaximus7
Joined: 02 May 2012 Posts: 13 Location: US
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:23 pm Post subject: Any opinions on Zeiss Ikon Contax D vs. Icarex 35S TM? |
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decimusmaximus7 wrote:
I am looking for a Zeiss Ikon branded SLR in m42 mount. It seems like my 2 choices are the East's Contax S or D, or the West's Icarex 35S TM.
Any opinion as to which has the best usability, reliability, etc?
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rbelyell
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
If your budget is limited you could buy a Jenaflex which is PB mount and add a PB-M42 adapter. The Jenaflex will be much cheaper than either a Contax or a Icarex and is a much more modern camera, much lighter to carry.
http://www.praktica-collector.de/229_Jenaflex_AC-1.htm _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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decimusmaximus7
Joined: 02 May 2012 Posts: 13 Location: US
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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decimusmaximus7 wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion, I may consider that one in the future as well. |
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trifox
Joined: 14 May 2008 Posts: 3614 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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trifox wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
If your budget is limited you could buy a Jenaflex which is PB mount and add a PB-M42 adapter. The Jenaflex will be much cheaper than either a Contax or a Icarex and is a much more modern camera, much lighter to carry.
http://www.praktica-collector.de/229_Jenaflex_AC-1.htm |
A few words to the Contax S:
See this article - quite useful:
http://basepath.com/Photography/ContaxS.php
My father used to be a retoucher. He retouched pictures in large print-house where newspapers were printed.
BTW in reverse view - black was white and white was black - he was retouching negatives.
He's a person who knows how to use a pencil
Our family had very limited budget but he decided to buy this Contax (in 50's!!) pictured below:
This is exactly the camera we had as a family with 'limited budget'. It's equipped with Biotar 2/58.
This had been our family asset until my brother dropped the camera in water - salt water. - on hols
However, my father says - that was the best camera he could have ever bought
Reliability? I think he's done thousands of pictures with this He had never got a problem with it.
All BW, all developed by him, all our family pictures taken with this camera
One body, one lens - no more, no less.
He spent a fortune on that camera and took him 3 months to make all payments to the previous owner..
Thanks to God, the owner was his friend who agreed with more payments split in 3 months
I can still hear the sound of this camera!
Contax, Made in Germany - a true legend in the camera world!
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decimusmaximus7
Joined: 02 May 2012 Posts: 13 Location: US
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 4:00 am Post subject: |
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decimusmaximus7 wrote:
Thanks for sharing. I always love hearing family histories. My first was a Zeiss Ikon Contaflex Super B. It has recently broken down on me so I thought as a replacement I should get an m42 mount, that way, I could share the lenses with my Sony a77 and Minolta 7000. |
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dof
Joined: 04 Feb 2009 Posts: 339 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: Any opinions on Zeiss Ikon Contax D vs. Icarex 35S TM? |
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dof wrote:
decimusmaximus7 wrote: |
I am looking for a Zeiss Ikon branded SLR in m42 mount. It seems like my 2 choices are the East's Contax S or D, or the West's Icarex 35S TM.
Any opinion as to which has the best usability, reliability, etc?
Thanks |
I have an Icarex 35S TM:
I consider it the best M42 cameras I've ever used.
Considering usability, the Icarex meter and split-image focus aid features alone would put it way ahead of the Contax in my opinion. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I had/have both in multiply copies, I am not fond of either of them. I sold already ICAREX cameras, much more advanced and trustworthy than old Contax D or S. Old Contax D and S basically worst edition of Praktica or Zenit. Easy to brake it to find a good working one a little magic , most of them has light leaks on curtain even if otherways works. Really not related to Contax ... at all. I still have a mint Contax D and some used bodies.
So let's say same bad words against ICAREX , I can't not my favorite , but reliable and works. One of my copy was stored in swamp , got lot of fungus , dust , but works even after such a bad storage. Easy to brake plastic battery cover, so handle it carefully.
My M42 camera suggestion is any newest Praktica VLC x or PLC x or MTL5B all usually works like charm without any issue. I had may 50+ due I sold lenses hard to find any non-working one.
My favourite is Fujica 801, small advanced one and cheap. _________________ -------------------------------
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Minolfan
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 3439 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
dof wrote: |
I have an Icarex 35S TM: ... I consider it the best M42 cameras I've ever used. |
I don't have one, but I have successor Voigtländer VSL1. Very, very nice M42 camera too. But no Zeiss on it
There was a Zeiss Ikon SL706 in between. That might be an alternative.
Without any doubt better users then the good old Contax.
But I support Attila with his preference for the Fujica ST801. |
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decimusmaximus7
Joined: 02 May 2012 Posts: 13 Location: US
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 12:48 am Post subject: |
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decimusmaximus7 wrote:
I forgot about the SL 706. Does anyone have one or know of one they'd like to sell? |
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Elmar Lang
Joined: 11 Apr 2012 Posts: 103
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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Elmar Lang wrote:
Hello,
I have to say some good words about the Contax-S.
It was the "family camera" until my father, in 1980, bought a new Yashica SLR. The Contax-S was a present of his parents in 1952 or '53. He used it also in very difficult situations/environment. When I was a child and a boy, I always remember him (when in "photo-mood") with the Contax-S suspended at his neck. It never had a problem.
It's now on my bookshelf, in its leather ever-ready case: it still works perfectly.
With the Italian Rectaflex, the Contax-S was the first reflex camera with built-in pentaprism so, it has all the limits of a new concept. In any case, it's a pleasure to use one, understanding that we are holding a 1948-49 state-of-the-art SLR.
The Icarex-TM is heavy and noisy, but it's a fine, reliable camera. I agree though, that a 42x1 Praktica equipped with Zeiss Jena lenses can be an extremely fine choice.
Best wishes,
Enzo |
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mmelvis
Joined: 24 May 2010 Posts: 1326 Location: Florida,USA
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 1:55 am Post subject: |
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mmelvis wrote:
Also take a look at a Pentacon ZI in an m42 mount, same camera as the Contax D at a lower cost. I am not sure why they do not sell at the same price but you can get a good deal. |
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Orio
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 6:20 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
mmelvis wrote: |
Also take a look at a Pentacon ZI |
Not ZI actually but Zeiss Jena - since Zeiss Ikon is West and Pentacon is a Eastern Germany trademark. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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std
Joined: 09 Feb 2010 Posts: 1826 Location: Bulgaria
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 6:51 am Post subject: |
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std wrote:
Yes Pentacon ZI is the same camera:
http://captjack.exaktaphile.com/praktina/Contax-Pentacon%20Cameras.htm _________________ Stefan
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Elmar Lang
Joined: 11 Apr 2012 Posts: 103
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 7:57 am Post subject: |
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Elmar Lang wrote:
Dear Orio,
the Pentacon "ZI" (meaning "Zeiss Ikon") existed, and it was one of the first cameras, based on the Spiegelreflex-Contax, after the legal fight started between the two Zeiss firms.
It bears the "Ernemann-Turm" logo on the pentaprism, where the earlier Contax-S had the Zeiss Ikon one. Under the "Turm" there was a little, engraved "ZI". After that last attempt, the Zeiss of East Germany ceased the use of the "Zeiss Ikon" name.
Back to the topic, all the Jena SLRs of the Contax family can be very good cameras, in my opinion well worth the costs to check/repair it: it's extremely compact, especially when equipped with the very fine CZJ Tessars, either 2,8 or 3,5. Usually, these cameras come with the excellent Biotar 58/2.
Best wishes,
Enzo |
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