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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5038 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:14 pm Post subject: Does color film corrupt D-76? |
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kansalliskala wrote:
I have some old rolls I could try cross-process. But does it trash the developer in some way? _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Does color film corrupt D-76? |
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Orio wrote:
kansalliskala wrote: |
I have some old rolls I could try cross-process. But does it trash the developer in some way? |
Most developers get trashed anyway, developers that are reuseable are few and usually they don't work all that well from the second time on. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I have developed C-41 in BW chems - RO9, Celer-Stellar, Paterson FX-39, those are all one shot.
Results are mixed, sometimes not bad, sometimes awful. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5038 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Results are mixed, sometimes not bad, sometimes awful. |
Did you try over- / under-expose / -process? _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
When I took the darkroom course, three years ago, the teacher told us this:
If you're into darkroom because you care about your photography, follow these steps:
- always fresh developer (reuse only if meaningless roll, like lens/camera test roll)
- stop bath can be reused to death, as long as it has some little power it's ok, but never wash longer than 30" if stop is old, pour in fixer asap.
- always fresh fixer, or at the most longer, one week old. Used fixer older than one week belongs to the trash tank (with the exception of hardening fixers that keep longer)
- do rinse shortly with simple water before using hypo clearing agent
- last washing bath in distilled water with a couple drops liquid soap or antistatic agent.
I still follow these rules and never got problems (except when I messed things up for distraction). _________________ Orio, Administrator
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I just tried normal exposure. I had better results with stand dev than normal.
Tonality is usually quite ugly, my best results were with Celer-Stellar normal dev or RO9 1:100 stand for 60mins.
If light is good, you can have some not bad results, these are all in Celer-Stellar, cheap long expired colour films of unknown manufacture, Truprint and Jessops brands:
I use these long-expired cheap brand C-41 films in BW chems to test cameras. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5038 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
I use these long-expired cheap brand C-41 films in BW chems to test cameras. |
That is something similiar I intend to. If something interesting / artistic pops up, it is just bonus.
I think your results are not bad at all. _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Those are the best results I got, the average was rather less good, but it works to test cameras, I have loads of these cheap C-41 films, many came with old cameras from charity shops, it saves the good BW stock for proper work.
I have a thread on C-41 in BW:
http://forum.mflenses.com/cheap-expired-c-41-films-in-bw-chemicals-t48646.html _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Orio
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
How did you figure out the developing times, Ian? Trial and error, or did you have any guide info? _________________ Orio, Administrator
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I used the time stated for XP2 which is a C-41 film. C-41 as you know is a locked down process so what works for one C-41 film should work for them all. I tried 200 and 400 speed films with the same times and the results were the same, no under or over development. I'll have to dig my notes out to give you exact timings and dilutions. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5038 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 8:39 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Some samples, overexposed 1 stop, underprocessed (by accident, but good one).
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1233231.html#1233231 _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 10:46 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Ian: #1 and #2 are good images. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 11:40 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Cheers Martin. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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