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Richard_D
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 Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:40 am Post subject: Nikkor 35mm f2 and Mir24N close up comparison |
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Richard_D wrote:
Not really an extensive test, or one carried out under contrlled conditions but some close up shots from each lens. Just for fun I'll reveal which was which later:
Lens A at f2:
Lens B at f2:
Lens A at f2.8:
Lens B at f2.8:
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The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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poilu
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
I don't see difference except the focus point changed between each shot. You really need a liveview 
How was the spaghetti and the wine ?
I don't have any of those lens so I guess
I prefer B=nikkor but would be happy with A=mir
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Orio
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
It is very difficult to tell which is what, for a number of reasons:
- small resize (100% size is essential to any predicting)
- artificial light (kills colour subleties and colour is a key factor for MIR)
- automatic white balancing in the machine evening out colour differences
- machined tools as subjects (it's easier to judge on natural objects, machined tools make all lenses look equally sharp)
- simple background (no objects in bg to evaluate)
- #2 has different focus points so direct comparison impossible
Based solely on the quality of the blur in the first image (without the other parameters described above), I'd say Mir=A - but it's more a hazard than an educated guess.
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Richard_D
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
| poilu wrote: |
I don't see difference except the focus point changed between each shot. You really need a liveview
How was the spaghetti and the wine ?
I don't have any of those lens so I guess
I prefer B=nikkor but would be happy with A=mir |
I had to move the tripod slightly to try and equalize the slightly different field of view, and yes the focusing was a little out
Both were excellent - Spaghetti with sinach, chickpeas, garlic and olive oil, dressed with parmesan and (sorry Orio) a Californian merlot.
As to liveview, if you can persuade my wife I need a D300...
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The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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Richard_D
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
| Seymore wrote: |
I suspect A is the MIR and B is the Nikkor.
so what do I win Richard? |
Smug satisfaction or tooth grinding despair
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The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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Richard_D
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
It is very difficult to tell which is what, for a number of reasons:
- small resize (100% size is essential to any predicting)
- artificial light (kills colour subleties and colour is a key factor for MIR)
- automatic white balancing in the machine evening out colour differences
- machined tools as subjects (it's easier to judge on natural objects, machined tools make all lenses look equally sharp)
- simple background (no objects in bg to evaluate)
- #2 has different focus points so direct comparison impossible
Based solely on the quality of the blur in the first image (without the other parameters described above), I'd say Mir=A - but it's more a hazard than an educated guess.
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Points taken, I'll bear them in mind for future comparisons. Both lenses are in my eyes superb performers anyway.
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The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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Orio
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:33 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
| Richard_D wrote: |
Points taken, I'll bear them in mind for future comparisons. Both lenses are in my eyes superb performers anyway. |
PLease note, I don't want to be picky or difficult - it's just that telling one lens from another is a very difficult sport, and for giving a choice that is reasoned and not simply casual, one needs to have the most possible information in the image.
100% size, colour fidelity (using fixed Kelvin value instead of AWB) and variety in the background (for both number of objects and distances) are the most helpful indicators.
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Richard_D
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:47 am Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
| Richard_D wrote: |
Points taken, I'll bear them in mind for future comparisons. Both lenses are in my eyes superb performers anyway. |
PLease note, I don't want to be picky or difficult - it's just that telling one lens from another is a very difficult sport, and for giving a choice that is reasoned and not simply casual, one needs to have the most possible information in the image.
100% size, colour fidelity (using fixed Kelvin value instead of AWB) and variety in the background (for both number of objects and distances) are the most helpful indicators. |
Don't worry - I wasn't offended, I'm grateful for the advice, sorry if I came across short.
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The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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Richard_D
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
I forgot to say yes A was the Mir24n...
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The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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LucisPictor
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LucisPictor wrote:
Despite the AWB the MIR shots seem warmer to me...
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Flor27
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Flor27 wrote:
Any lens comparison test should include a basic distortion test and corners performance (shot ot a brick wall or something flat and with vertical & horizontal lines) this is especially usefull for wide angle lenses
Yesterday in the train, I did this test and I was shocked to see that a Takumar 55/2 had a very pronounced barrel distortion side by side an Helios-44-2 58/2 ...
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Orio
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Orio wrote:
I look again and again and I can not see any difference in the colouring. They seem identical to me. only difference is that the Nikkor photos are fractionally darker.
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patrickh
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patrickh wrote:
I think the Mir does uncommonly well in the comparison, from what one can determine with the two shots. Remember the 35/2 nikkor is one of their more highly regarded lenses - I know I love mine. Then also - compare prices and do the value for money thing. 
patrickh
PS down the road I am certainly going to try the Mir.
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Orio
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Sorry I wanted to mean MIR photos are fractionally darker.
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