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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:48 pm    Post subject: reversing lens on lens for macro - suggestions wanted Reply with quote
i'm about to try shooting macro with lens reversed on lens and i have one combo already in mind, but i would like to hear your experiences and suggestions about which lenses perform good reversed?


PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pancolar 50


PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
there's F 1,8 & 2 Pancolar 50 Attila Wink
My experience Yashica ML 50/2 very sharp


PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pentax K28/3.5 ...


PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
IAZA wrote:
there's F 1,8 & 2 Pancolar 50 Attila Wink
My experience Yashica ML 50/2 very sharp


Laughing okay Carl Zeiss Jena Pancolar 50mm f1.8 MC Wink


PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
thanx for suggestions

the combo i have in mind is oly 90mm/2 on camera and oly 50mm/2 macro reversed


PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
WolverineX wrote:
thanx for suggestions

the combo i have in mind is oly 90mm/2 on camera and oly 50mm/2 macro reversed


Stunning set I never seen any result from this combo, I saw Pancolar eyes of a fly was almost 1:1 Shocked


PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
WolverineX wrote:
thanx for suggestions

the combo i have in mind is oly 90mm/2 on camera and oly 50mm/2 macro reversed


Stunning set I never seen any result from this combo, I saw Pancolar eyes of a fly was almost 1:1 Shocked


i'll post samples in this thread when i get reversing ring and try this combo out


PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
50mm f2 is an expensive lens , be careful to not damage rare element.


PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
50mm f2 is an expensive lens , be careful to not damage rare element.


i'll be careful Smile


PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
WolverineX wrote:
...when i get reversing ring ...


You need a coupling ring for that purpose IMO with two sides filter threads; reverser ring is one side camera mount, other side filter thread. Nice for macro too, but with one lens.


PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
yes for 2 lenses, you need male to male (M2M) ring
I use 58-49 mm ring


PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Minolfan wrote:
WolverineX wrote:
...when i get reversing ring ...


You need a coupling ring for that purpose IMO with two sides filter threads; reverser ring is one side camera mount, other side filter thread. Nice for macro too, but with one lens.
i know. Both of these lenses have 55mm filter thread so i'll need 55mm-55mm ring


PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
finally got the macro coupling ring today
here is quick test of the magnification (i have a long way to go to learn how not to shake the camera when extreme macro shooting Smile )

real macro testing when weather allows me to get out and find some flowers or bugs Smile

#1 - olympus om 90mm/2 alone

#2 - olympus om 90mm/2 + olympus om 50mm/2 macro reversed


PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:48 pm    Post subject: Re: reversing lens on lens for macro - suggestions wanted Reply with quote
WolverineX wrote:
i'm about to try shooting macro with lens reversed on lens and i have one combo already in mind, but i would like to hear your experiences and suggestions about which lenses perform good reversed?


Generally speaking you should not have to reverse a macro lens. If you need extreme magnifications (above 2:1) there are special mini-lenses available that fit on bellows. Most of the majors have offered them, I believe. The only ones I can name off the top of my head are the Photars from Leitz, though I believe Nikon, Pentax, and Olympus have made such optics too.

Here is a Photar:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leitz-Photar-50mm-1-4-fur-Linhof-Sinar-Plaubel-Toyo-/220918823925?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item336fc9bbf5

Here is info on the Olympus lenses:

http://www.alanwood.net/photography/olympus/bellows-macro-lenses.html

And here is some general info:

http://www.fullmeltbubble.com/forum/showthread.php?t=234

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
600€ versus 11€ cost of the ring? hmmmm let me think about it...


PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
WolverineX wrote:
600€ versus 11€ cost of the ring? hmmmm let me think about it...


What do you mean?


PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
i mean, that for my macro needs coupling ring is just enough and my funds will go for a new PEN camera that's about to be announced


PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
WolverineX wrote:
i mean, that for my macro needs coupling ring is just enough and my funds will go for a new PEN camera that's about to be announced


You asked about reversing. I pointed out that this is not necessary for macro lenses (you said you had one). If you need more magnification than that, then you should look into special-purpose bellows lenses, as normal lenses will start to look pretty fuzzy even reversed. Maybe I have misunderstood you.


PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Get one of the TOMINON special macro bellows lenses, there come in 17/35/50/75/105/135mm focal length and can be had for a song. Need a M40-M42 (or M39) ring, available on ebay. That sets you back about $50. Data is on my macrolenses.de site.


PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
kds315* wrote:
Get one of the TOMINON special macro bellows lenses, there come in 17/35/50/75/105/135mm focal length and can be had for a song. Need a M40-M42 (or M39) ring, available on ebay. That sets you back about $50. Data is on my macrolenses.de site.


Interesting. I learning something new everyday! Some more info here:
http://forum.manualfocus.org/viewtopic.php?id=10865
http://forum.manualfocus.org/viewtopic.php?id=11595
http://www.photomacrography.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5927&highlight=tominon
http://www.pbase.com/pganzel/photars_luminars_summars_tominons

Great source of info here also:
http://savazzi.freehostia.com/photography/default.htm
http://coinimaging.com/Lens_tests.html

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I talk about those: http://www.macrolenses.de/ml_detail.php?ObjektiveNr=69
not enlarger lenses (that Tomioka also made).


PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
kds315* wrote:
Get one of the TOMINON special macro bellows lenses, there come in 17/35/50/75/105/135mm focal length and can be had for a song. Need a M40-M42 (or M39) ring, available on ebay. That sets you back about $50. Data is on my macrolenses.de site.


I have some pictures taken with Tominon 17mm lens here on my blog: http://www.practicalnaturephotography.com/2011/12/tominon-17mm-f40-lens-for.html.

On 16-24 Mp APS-C camera it is over the diffraction limit already wide open at its recommended magnification (X10-X24). So I would not use it for critical work.

The 35mm Tominon is much better when used at about X5, and 75mm Tominon is good at about X1-X2, but I had no time to post my results yet.

I should mention also, that I used stacking at such high magnification, so it might be not exactly what OP wants to do.

Alex


PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Welcome Alex!


PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks Attila. I've been learning from here for a long time. Hopefully, I can give something back.

BTW, could You please fix the link in my first post, if You think it is useful.

Alex
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