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Kathmandu
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:45 am Post subject: Kodak Instamatic Reflex |
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Kathmandu wrote:
I have been hanging on to this hoping to find a way to conveniently use 35mm film on it. Its in such great shape and has half a cartridge of 127 still unused,still in it . This camera has not seen much use. The viewfinder is amazingly bright and clear. The camera appears built strong and solid.I have seen some DIY stuff on using 35mm in the 127cartridge-I might try something like that.
Cheers _________________ kathmandu
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luisalegria
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:21 am Post subject: |
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I sold one of these some years ago.
It was very well made and seemed to be a very ergonomic, pleasant to use camera.
I was rather sorry I couldn't try it out (I had already sold the lenses). _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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kansalliskala
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:04 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
It has small image circle? Why not try convert it to digital somehow? _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:12 am Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
Kathmandu wrote: |
I have been hanging on to this hoping to find a way to conveniently use 35mm film on it. Its in such great shape and has half a cartridge of 127 still unused,still in it . This camera has not seen much use. The viewfinder is amazingly bright and clear. The camera appears built strong and solid.I have seen some DIY stuff on using 35mm in the 127cartridge-I might try something like that. |
Surely this would use 126 film cartridges (26 x 26mm negs), not 127? 127 was a paper-backed roll film.
Film transport would be a major problem using 135 film I think. For a start there's no sprocket drum as with 135 cameras. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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kansalliskala
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:26 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
Surely this would use 126 film cartridges (26 x 26mm negs), not 127? 127 was a paper-backed roll film.
Film transport would be a major problem using 135 film I think. For a start there's no sprocket drum as with 135 cameras. |
That big? I thought they were smaller, but then again it's something like 25 years ago.
If the cassette and spools were metal and some sort of spooling mechanism with film edge cutter that could well work. But making this equipment is expensive. Unless you find some nice mechanic with tools. But way easier than converting to digital which I first suggested.
edit: is this true:
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Adocolor 126, which was until recently available in Europe and was sometimes imported by North American resellers, was manufactured for the German Adox company by Ferrania.[5] Ferrania and Adox are currently in negotiations to transfer the relevant production moulds etc. to Adox so production can start again. Adox is hoping to release it in January 2012. |
_________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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peterqd
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:54 am Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
kansalliskala wrote: |
peterqd wrote: |
Surely this would use 126 film cartridges (26 x 26mm negs), not 127? 127 was a paper-backed roll film.
Film transport would be a major problem using 135 film I think. For a start there's no sprocket drum as with 135 cameras. |
That big? I thought they were smaller, but then again it's something like 25 years ago.
If the cassette and spools were metal and some sort of spooling mechanism with film edge cutter that could well work. But making this equipment is expensive. Unless you find some nice mechanic with tools. But way easier than converting to digital which I first suggested.
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You're probably thinking of the later cameras that used the much smaller 110 film cartridges. Image size of these is 13 x 17mm.
Both types of cartridge were plastic. The cameras have a very simple transport system using a wheel in the top which has a lug which engages in notches in the top of the take-up spool of the cartidge, so I would say it would be impossible to convert to using 135 canister film. Besides, the back door has a window for the frame numbers!
Bulk reloading of the cartridge with 135 film would be the only way I think, but the cartridges were disposable and very fragile.
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Adocolor 126, which was until recently available in Europe and was sometimes imported by North American resellers, was manufactured for the German Adox company by Ferrania.[5] Ferrania and Adox are currently in negotiations to transfer the relevant production moulds etc. to Adox so production can start again. Adox is hoping to release it in January 2012. |
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I don't know, I've never had any real interest in Instamatic cameras, only that my wife owned one many years ago. They were pretty cheap and, well, not exactly Leica quality. I've read there's quite a lot of interest in 126 film though, I guess from LOMO-type fans, and that would be good news for them if it's true. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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Kathmandu
Joined: 09 Dec 2009 Posts: 1479 Location: (Kathmandu,Nepal. Currently)Pacific Northwest, USA
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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Kathmandu wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
Kathmandu wrote: |
I have been hanging on to this hoping to find a way to conveniently use 35mm film on it. Its in such great shape and has half a cartridge of 127 still unused,still in it . This camera has not seen much use. The viewfinder is amazingly bright and clear. The camera appears built strong and solid.I have seen some DIY stuff on using 35mm in the 127cartridge-I might try something like that. |
Surely this would use 126 film cartridges (26 x 26mm negs), not 127? 127 was a paper-backed roll film.
Film transport would be a major problem using 135 film I think. For a start there's no sprocket drum as with 135 cameras. |
Yes that would be a 126, not 127. Thanks for spotting that. I wrote earlier about DIYs that I had read about "conversions"- so it would accept 35mm. Heres one that I found-
http://www.betweenthesprockets.com/?page_id=17. _________________ kathmandu
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Kathmandu
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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Kathmandu wrote:
luisalegria wrote: |
I sold one of these some years ago.
It was very well made and seemed to be a very ergonomic, pleasant to use camera.
I was rather sorry I couldn't try it out (I had already sold the lenses). |
The condition of the viewfinder is one of the best I have seen-in older cameras I have . Its cock ,focus and fire. _________________ kathmandu
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rbelyell
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
very nice looking piece of equipment, i had not seen one before. i have exactly the same proclem with my rollei sl126--its solid metal, rangefinder, 3 superb hft lenses, and no place to go because i cant figure out how to modify it to takd straight 35mm film...a real pity. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
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kansalliskala
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Hmm .. if one could attach a paper back to 135 film and get some spools and sort of film plate / guide, one could (theoretically) use it as a roll film camera. At least if one would load and reload it in the darkroom. Then again you must develop the films youself anyways.
Something like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/828_film
http://pheugo.com/cameras/index.php?page=spool828
One thing about the later link, I don't understand.
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The easiest way to get backing paper is to find an unused or undeveloped roll of 828 film. You can then pull the paper off, discard the film and reuse the paper. |
Why couldn't I just use the film first and then take the paper.
Or just take a 120 film roll, cut it half and spool it somehow? _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
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Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
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Mos6502
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Mos6502 wrote:
I have a bunch of old, unopened 126 film from the 80s if anybody needs cartridges. I shot one when I first got it, and the film was more or less useless. You might get an image over-exposing by about 4 or 5 stops
Edit: Also the Retina Reflexes are not hard to find, and you could easily snatch a working one for about $50-$60 off of ebay. Then you wouldn't have to bother with 126. |
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Kathmandu
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Kathmandu wrote:
Mos6502 wrote: |
I have a bunch of old, unopened 126 film from the 80s if anybody needs cartridges. I shot one when I first got it, and the film was more or less useless. You might get an image over-exposing by about 4 or 5 stops
Edit: Also the Retina Reflexes are not hard to find, and you could easily snatch a working one for about $50-$60 off of ebay. Then you wouldn't have to bother with 126. |
True, but then you wouldn't see the sprockets on your image- . I'd love it if you could send me one cartridge . _________________ kathmandu
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luisalegria
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Most 35mm Retina Reflexes aren't working, and the ones that are guaranteed to be working may not work for long.
These are very trouble-prone cameras.
The Instamatic seems mechanically to be the best of the Retina Reflex line, less internally complex I understand. The meter is also more likely to be working, not being selenium. Though on many cameras with selenium meters these can often be quite simply fixed (just clean the contacts), on the Retina Reflex any such attempt would be frightening.
It would be a fantastic platform for the excellent Retina Reflex lenses. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Mos6502
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Mos6502 wrote:
Kathmandu wrote: |
Mos6502 wrote: |
I have a bunch of old, unopened 126 film from the 80s if anybody needs cartridges. I shot one when I first got it, and the film was more or less useless. You might get an image over-exposing by about 4 or 5 stops
Edit: Also the Retina Reflexes are not hard to find, and you could easily snatch a working one for about $50-$60 off of ebay. Then you wouldn't have to bother with 126. |
True, but then you wouldn't see the sprockets on your image- . I'd love it if you could send me one cartridge . |
I'll dig around for them and see if I can find them again. I know I had a few. |
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Kathmandu
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Kathmandu wrote:
Mos6502 wrote: |
Kathmandu wrote: |
Mos6502 wrote: |
I have a bunch of old, unopened 126 film from the 80s if anybody needs cartridges. I shot one when I first got it, and the film was more or less useless. You might get an image over-exposing by about 4 or 5 stops
Edit: Also the Retina Reflexes are not hard to find, and you could easily snatch a working one for about $50-$60 off of ebay. Then you wouldn't have to bother with 126. |
True, but then you wouldn't see the sprockets on your image- . I'd love it if you could send me one cartridge . |
I'll dig around for them and see if I can find them again. I know I had a few. |
Thanks for the offer.If you have not started your digging-pls dont bother. I found one here locally .
luisalegria wrote: |
Most 35mm Retina Reflexes aren't working, and the ones that are guaranteed to be working may not work for long.
These are very trouble-prone cameras.
The Instamatic seems mechanically to be the best of the Retina Reflex line, less internally complex I understand. The meter is also more likely to be working, not being selenium. Though on many cameras with selenium meters these can often be quite simply fixed (just clean the contacts), on the Retina Reflex any such attempt would be frightening.
It would be a fantastic platform for the excellent Retina Reflex lenses. |
Thats exactly what I was thinking-I have a few Retina DKL lenses in my possession for it would be the perfect base-plus I can look into getting the sprocket effect say with a Xenon 50mm f1.9. _________________ kathmandu
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