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sinner79
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:36 pm Post subject: Planar 50mm T* f1.7 or Zuiko 50mm OM f1.4? |
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sinner79 wrote:
Which one do you prefer?
Wide open are sharp? _________________ Manual Lenses
Vivitar 28mm f2 MC - Pentacon 29mm MC f2.8 - Mir24m 35mm MC f2 - Carl Zeiss Distagon 35mm f2.8 - Car Zeiss 50mm f1.7 MM T* - Rollei Planar 50mm f1.8 HFT - Jupiter 9 85mm f2 - Carl Zeiss Tele Tessar 135mm f4 - Meyer-Optik Orestor 135mm f2.8 - Tair 11A 135mm f2.8 Meyer - Optik Orestor 200 mm f4
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I'd recommend the Planar 1.7/50 if the serial number begins with 8, because they have superior sharpness.
Not so if the serial number begins with 5,6 or 7, in that case I'd take the Oly because it's faster and about the same price,
and sharpness will not differ much. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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sinner79
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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sinner79 wrote:
And about olympus... normal version or MC? There's much difference in sharpness and constrast? _________________ Manual Lenses
Vivitar 28mm f2 MC - Pentacon 29mm MC f2.8 - Mir24m 35mm MC f2 - Carl Zeiss Distagon 35mm f2.8 - Car Zeiss 50mm f1.7 MM T* - Rollei Planar 50mm f1.8 HFT - Jupiter 9 85mm f2 - Carl Zeiss Tele Tessar 135mm f4 - Meyer-Optik Orestor 135mm f2.8 - Tair 11A 135mm f2.8 Meyer - Optik Orestor 200 mm f4
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Orio
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
sinner79 wrote: |
And about olympus... normal version or MC? There's much difference in sharpness and constrast? |
Unless there are other factors against it which I ignore (I am not a Oly expert)
a multi-coated lens is always preferable. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Keysersoze27
Joined: 19 Feb 2009 Posts: 466 Location: Greece
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Keysersoze27 wrote:
Best Zuiko 1.4/50 is the one with NMC coating and it starts at s/n 1.100.000 .
MC is excellent too..... _________________ Canon EOS 5D MkII , EOS 50E, Contax RTS, Olympus OM2n, Nikon Z6ii
28mm: Zeiss Distagon 2.8/28 MMJ
35mm: CZ Distagon 2/35 ZE , S-M-C Takumar 3.5/35
40mm: CZJ Tessar T 4.5/40 1Q
50mm: CZ Planar 1.4/50 MMJ,CZ Planar 1.7/50 AEJ+MMJ,Leica Summicron 2/50 v3,S-M-C Takumar 1.4/50,Pentax SMC 1.4/50 K,Pentax SMC 1.8/55 K,Nikkor 1.8/50 ,CZJ Tessar T 3.5/50 1Q , CZ Planar 1.8/50 (QBM),Zuiko 1.4/50, Zuiko 1.8/50, Icarex Tessar 2.8/50, Nikkor 2/50 Ai,Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 2.8/50 Preset, Pentacon Prakticar 2.4/50 MC v1, CZJ Pancolar 1.8/50 Zebra , Rikenon 1.4/50 P
55mm: Fujinon 1.8/55 EBC
58mm: Helios MC 44-3 2/58
85mm: Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/85 AEJ
90mm: Voigtl�nder APO-Lanthar 3.5/90 SLII , Leica Elmarit-R 2.8/90 v2
100~105mm:Zeiss Sonnar 3.5/100 MM, Nikkor 2.5/105 AiS, S-M-C Takumar 2.8/105
135mm: Leica Elmarit R 2.8/135 v2, S-M-C Takumar 3.5/135, CZJ 4/135 Sonnar Exakta leatherette (1963),CZJ 4/135 Triotar
Macro:Leica Macro-Elmarit R 2.8/60, Micro-Nikkor Auto 3.5/55 Compensating type (1964) |
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sinner79
Joined: 02 May 2011 Posts: 157
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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sinner79 wrote:
I don't understand...best one is no MC? The one with "G-Zuiko" written? Thanks again. _________________ Manual Lenses
Vivitar 28mm f2 MC - Pentacon 29mm MC f2.8 - Mir24m 35mm MC f2 - Carl Zeiss Distagon 35mm f2.8 - Car Zeiss 50mm f1.7 MM T* - Rollei Planar 50mm f1.8 HFT - Jupiter 9 85mm f2 - Carl Zeiss Tele Tessar 135mm f4 - Meyer-Optik Orestor 135mm f2.8 - Tair 11A 135mm f2.8 Meyer - Optik Orestor 200 mm f4
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Keysersoze27
Joined: 19 Feb 2009 Posts: 466 Location: Greece
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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Keysersoze27 wrote:
sinner79 wrote: |
I don't understand...best one is no MC? The one with "G-Zuiko" written? Thanks again. |
The last version of 1.4/50 has no MC writen on it but it's a Multi Coated of course
Single Coated= up to S/n~1,000,000
MC(indicated)=S/n1,000,000 up to s/n1,100,000
Last version (No MC writen on the lens , NMC coated)= >1,100,000 _________________ Canon EOS 5D MkII , EOS 50E, Contax RTS, Olympus OM2n, Nikon Z6ii
28mm: Zeiss Distagon 2.8/28 MMJ
35mm: CZ Distagon 2/35 ZE , S-M-C Takumar 3.5/35
40mm: CZJ Tessar T 4.5/40 1Q
50mm: CZ Planar 1.4/50 MMJ,CZ Planar 1.7/50 AEJ+MMJ,Leica Summicron 2/50 v3,S-M-C Takumar 1.4/50,Pentax SMC 1.4/50 K,Pentax SMC 1.8/55 K,Nikkor 1.8/50 ,CZJ Tessar T 3.5/50 1Q , CZ Planar 1.8/50 (QBM),Zuiko 1.4/50, Zuiko 1.8/50, Icarex Tessar 2.8/50, Nikkor 2/50 Ai,Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 2.8/50 Preset, Pentacon Prakticar 2.4/50 MC v1, CZJ Pancolar 1.8/50 Zebra , Rikenon 1.4/50 P
55mm: Fujinon 1.8/55 EBC
58mm: Helios MC 44-3 2/58
85mm: Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/85 AEJ
90mm: Voigtl�nder APO-Lanthar 3.5/90 SLII , Leica Elmarit-R 2.8/90 v2
100~105mm:Zeiss Sonnar 3.5/100 MM, Nikkor 2.5/105 AiS, S-M-C Takumar 2.8/105
135mm: Leica Elmarit R 2.8/135 v2, S-M-C Takumar 3.5/135, CZJ 4/135 Sonnar Exakta leatherette (1963),CZJ 4/135 Triotar
Macro:Leica Macro-Elmarit R 2.8/60, Micro-Nikkor Auto 3.5/55 Compensating type (1964) |
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sinner79
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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sinner79 wrote:
Ah ok...and where serial number is written?
And about single coated is it a good lens? How much a good price?
Also for you better choice of Planar 50mm T* 1.7? Thanks _________________ Manual Lenses
Vivitar 28mm f2 MC - Pentacon 29mm MC f2.8 - Mir24m 35mm MC f2 - Carl Zeiss Distagon 35mm f2.8 - Car Zeiss 50mm f1.7 MM T* - Rollei Planar 50mm f1.8 HFT - Jupiter 9 85mm f2 - Carl Zeiss Tele Tessar 135mm f4 - Meyer-Optik Orestor 135mm f2.8 - Tair 11A 135mm f2.8 Meyer - Optik Orestor 200 mm f4
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Ymmot
Joined: 24 Sep 2011 Posts: 168
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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Ymmot wrote:
Serial for zuiko 50mm 1.4 is on the front ring:
http://olypedia.de/Zuiko_Auto-S_1:1%2C4/50_mm
(if you can read german, else use google translate)
It also confirms Keysersoze27's observation on the serials, according to this website:
NMC: s/n 1100000+ is best at center somewhat weaker at corners than MC (has Zuiko and japan on front ring)
MC: s/n 1000000 to 1100000 is better at edges and somewhat less in the center than NMC (has Zuiko and MC, but not japan on front ring)
SC: s/n until 1000000 is 'worst' performer (with G.Zuiko, no japan or MC on front ring) |
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sinner79
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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sinner79 wrote:
Ok, thanks...but G.Zuiko first edition is not a good and sharp lens?
Wide open it's good or not?
Thanks _________________ Manual Lenses
Vivitar 28mm f2 MC - Pentacon 29mm MC f2.8 - Mir24m 35mm MC f2 - Carl Zeiss Distagon 35mm f2.8 - Car Zeiss 50mm f1.7 MM T* - Rollei Planar 50mm f1.8 HFT - Jupiter 9 85mm f2 - Carl Zeiss Tele Tessar 135mm f4 - Meyer-Optik Orestor 135mm f2.8 - Tair 11A 135mm f2.8 Meyer - Optik Orestor 200 mm f4
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scsambrook
Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 2167 Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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scsambrook wrote:
sinner79 wrote: |
Ok, thanks...but G.Zuiko first edition is not a good and sharp lens?
Wide open it's good or not?
Thanks |
Hello "sinner79" - don't forget that we are "splitting hairs" here. Although some variants of some lenses show improvements of one sort or another, all the standard lenses from the main makers (in ABC order - Canon, Leitz, Nikon, Olympus, Pentax, Yashica, Zeiss) since the 1960s have been very, very good indeed. If you want to take pictures for pleasure rather than conducting pixel-peeping lens tests, then you'll be pleased with them all. In my opinion, of course _________________ Stephen
Equipment: Pentax DSLR for casual shooting, Lumix G1 and Fuji XE-1 for playing with old lenses, and Leica M8 because I still like the optical rangefinder system. |
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sinner79
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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sinner79 wrote:
Yes!You are right! But I'm asking, because I've found a 50mm G.Zuiko first edition in good condition (only some small front lens marks), at 90 euro with EOS adapter included. Do you suggest to take it, or wait and taking something better? _________________ Manual Lenses
Vivitar 28mm f2 MC - Pentacon 29mm MC f2.8 - Mir24m 35mm MC f2 - Carl Zeiss Distagon 35mm f2.8 - Car Zeiss 50mm f1.7 MM T* - Rollei Planar 50mm f1.8 HFT - Jupiter 9 85mm f2 - Carl Zeiss Tele Tessar 135mm f4 - Meyer-Optik Orestor 135mm f2.8 - Tair 11A 135mm f2.8 Meyer - Optik Orestor 200 mm f4
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Ymmot
Joined: 24 Sep 2011 Posts: 168
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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Ymmot wrote:
I doubt it is a bad lens, however i dont have direct experience with that version, i have the NMC version.
As far as price goes, some of the local stores here do about 100 euros for the zuiko.
If the serials on the photos are correct one of them is MC (however has some haze) the rest SC and clean except for some dust, al mechanically and optically good, no scratches. I believe i also saw 125 for one of the MC in better state.
If you are lucky you can get them cheaper, I got mine for 30 euros, however it has a sticky aperture and some internal haze.
Same shops have three 1.7 planars together, all 6******, for 150 euros.
Even with haze my zuiko is a very nice lens in my view, however if you look for wide open sharpness, definitely check for haze (flashlight test).
I suspect that the haze causes mine to glow like crazy wide open, however it makes for wonderfull bokeh though. |
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Rolf
Joined: 02 May 2009 Posts: 4123 Location: NRW/Germany
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Rolf wrote:
sinner79 wrote: |
Yes!You are right! But I'm asking, because I've found a 50mm G.Zuiko first edition in good condition (only some small front lens marks), at 90 euro with EOS adapter included. Do you suggest to take it, or wait and taking something better? |
In my opinion a lens with "some small front lens marks" (what kind of marks ?) is not in good condition and it doesn´t matter whether the marks affected the image qualtity or not. Perhaps you have suddenly a situation where this marks affected your images - for example in special sunlight etc.
This question is more important than this coating or that coating. So if I were you I would save the money and would buy a lens in mint condition without any marks on the front or rear glass. At the end it is important what you can do with the lens, means with a perfect lens you can´t make automatically perfect images.
_________________ Rolf |
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sinner79
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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sinner79 wrote:
I like also planar 50 T* 1.7...may be better than Zuiko first version no multicoated? _________________ Manual Lenses
Vivitar 28mm f2 MC - Pentacon 29mm MC f2.8 - Mir24m 35mm MC f2 - Carl Zeiss Distagon 35mm f2.8 - Car Zeiss 50mm f1.7 MM T* - Rollei Planar 50mm f1.8 HFT - Jupiter 9 85mm f2 - Carl Zeiss Tele Tessar 135mm f4 - Meyer-Optik Orestor 135mm f2.8 - Tair 11A 135mm f2.8 Meyer - Optik Orestor 200 mm f4
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Olivier
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
sinner79 wrote: |
I like also planar 50 T* 1.7...may be better than Zuiko first version no multicoated? |
You will make no mistake with this one, for sure.
If you like it take it. _________________ Olivier - Moderator
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sinner79
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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sinner79 wrote:
I'mlooking for a 50 mm of great quality, quick sharp and not very expensive:) _________________ Manual Lenses
Vivitar 28mm f2 MC - Pentacon 29mm MC f2.8 - Mir24m 35mm MC f2 - Carl Zeiss Distagon 35mm f2.8 - Car Zeiss 50mm f1.7 MM T* - Rollei Planar 50mm f1.8 HFT - Jupiter 9 85mm f2 - Carl Zeiss Tele Tessar 135mm f4 - Meyer-Optik Orestor 135mm f2.8 - Tair 11A 135mm f2.8 Meyer - Optik Orestor 200 mm f4
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Olivier
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
sinner79 wrote: |
I'mlooking for a 50 mm of great quality, quick sharp and not very expensive:) |
I don't know what you mean by "not very expensive"...
I would say with my own standards :
A Pentacon 1.8/50
or a Super Takumar 1.8/55
or a Fujinon 1.8/55
But you already have fast quality 50s. _________________ Olivier - Moderator
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Orio
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Why not consider a multi-coated version of Pancolar 1.8/50?
top quality
moderate price (lower than Contax and Olympus)
copy variation factor safer than Pentacon 1.8/50 _________________ Orio, Administrator
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BRunner
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:53 am Post subject: |
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BRunner wrote:
sinner79 wrote: |
I'mlooking for a 50 mm of great quality, quick sharp and not very expensive:) |
Rollei Planar 1.8/50 if you can use it on your camera. _________________ .: APO-Maniac :. |
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sinner79
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:13 am Post subject: |
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sinner79 wrote:
I won this one:-)
http://www.ebay.it/itm/300609807703?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Do you think good lens and price?
I'd like your expert comments:-)
ps: I'm interested in Zeiss T*, for "3d effect" lens...I read Planar 50mm 1.7 T* has a very strong tridimensional look, if properly used:-) _________________ Manual Lenses
Vivitar 28mm f2 MC - Pentacon 29mm MC f2.8 - Mir24m 35mm MC f2 - Carl Zeiss Distagon 35mm f2.8 - Car Zeiss 50mm f1.7 MM T* - Rollei Planar 50mm f1.8 HFT - Jupiter 9 85mm f2 - Carl Zeiss Tele Tessar 135mm f4 - Meyer-Optik Orestor 135mm f2.8 - Tair 11A 135mm f2.8 Meyer - Optik Orestor 200 mm f4
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ManualFocus-G
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:45 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
That's a very good price Stop down to f2.8 for some pop _________________ Graham - Moderator
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Ymmot
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Ymmot wrote:
That is definitely nice (though not really an expert comment as i dont have any zeiss glass, probably because i rarely see any bargains, everyone knows its good). |
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Orio
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Good buy! _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Jesito
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
I'm late for recommendations, but congratulations for the lens, (it's the one I was going to recommend you anyway)
Regards.
Jes. _________________ Jesito, Moderator
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