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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:22 pm Post subject: Werra 3 |
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Attila wrote:
Beautiful 'real' retro looking well enginered camera. It has no built-in light meter full manual , battery free camera with built-in range finder. It has three interchangable lens Flektogon 35mm, Tessar 50mm and Cardinar 100mm. All are top quality lenses, produce very sharp , detailed images.
Register distance is enough to make a custom adapter and mount them on most 35mm SLR camera! (longer than M42) . Viewfinder is bright big and marked for all three lenses. Rangefinder looks unique mater of taste you like it or not. I like better 'normal' one with yerllow circle. 100mm Cardinar lens not set RF! Camery is fairly compact easy to use , great walk around cam. I highly recommend it to any film photographer. Pictures comming later in Galleries, taken with this camera. Until that here is Cardinar 100 shoots taken with Sony NEX-3.
http://forum.mflenses.com/cardinar-100mm-f4-carl-zeiss-jena-sony-nex-3-t42874,highlight,%2Bcardinar.html
and related discussion thread about Cardinar 100.
http://forum.mflenses.com/cardinar-100mm-f4-carl-zeiss-jena-werramatic-t37249,highlight,%2Bcardinar.html _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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nemesis101
Joined: 25 Mar 2008 Posts: 2050 Location: Oregon USA
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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nemesis101 wrote:
Looks very promising!
Doug _________________ Lenses and cameras:
Amateurs worry about equipment
Pros worry about money,
Masters worry about light. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
http://forum.mflenses.com/werra-3-provia-100-diy-e-6-epson-v500-t44130.html
http://forum.mflenses.com/werra-3-provia-100-diy-e-6-epson-v500-2-t44136.html _________________ -------------------------------
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Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
Thanks for posting, Attila!
Interesting: way back in the early 80's I was using an Olympus OM-1. I learned myself photography with that camera, but my friend with his Werra (which I considered a strange camera because of its olive drab color and the fact it's not clearly marked with a brand name) took MUCH better and nicely looking pictures. I guess because of the Tessar, which (in my eyes at that time) performed better than the 50mm f/1.8 Zuiko on the OM-1.
But what do I know... I was a teenager back then so possibly I made lots of focusing errors _________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Usually most range finder produce sharper, nicer images than SLR cameras on 35mm film. Even if you grab best lenses and a cheap compact RF , RF will be at least good as than SLR. This is my experience after lots of film shoots with different cameras. Perhaps register distance difference is reason. _________________ -------------------------------
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
perhaps its because lack of 'mirror slap' vibration created less camera shake in rf's...this is why i just traded in my kodak retina reflex iii and iv for a iiiS. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
rbelyell wrote: |
perhaps its because lack of 'mirror slap' vibration created less camera shake in rf's...this is why i just traded in my kodak retina reflex iii and iv for a iiiS. |
I don't know really what is real difference , but significant for sure. Another wild guess is focal length, usually I try SLR cameras with wide lenses, RF used most time with normal lenses. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
There is a real and great difference between both kind of lenses (ranfefinders and SRL lenses). The freedom of design of the RF lenses!!!
The SRL's lenses are designed with limitacions of the distance register, the existence of the mirror, etc. That not occur in the RF lenses.
And this is noted in the IQ-
It's not casuality that if you take a yashica lens of the Electro 35 RF and the same distance focal of the Yashinon for the SRL of the same time, and can see that the first has more contrast and better resolution power. The same with Leica, Voigtlander, and much more brands.
Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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scsambrook
Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 2167 Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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scsambrook wrote:
I'm as big a rangefinder fan as you'll find, but I think it's a little unsafe to make assertions that RF lenses are generically "better" than SLR ones. Sometimes, yes, but by no means always. Going back to the 1960s, the 50mm f2 Nikkor-H and the 50mm f2 Summicron-R both represented significant overall improvements on their respective RF predecessors - although the Nikon RF range was by then history and the Leicaflex was so hard to focus you often couldn't get a sharp picture for love or money! Still, it makes some sort of point, even if not overwhelmingly
And nearer to the present time, Leica put what was essentially the optical package of the final 90mm Elmarit-R into a rangefinder mounting . . . or so Erwin Puts would have us believe. _________________ Stephen
Equipment: Pentax DSLR for casual shooting, Lumix G1 and Fuji XE-1 for playing with old lenses, and Leica M8 because I still like the optical rangefinder system. |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
scsambrook wrote: |
I'm as big a rangefinder fan as you'll find, but I think it's a little unsafe to make assertions that RF lenses are generically "better" than SLR ones. Sometimes, yes, but by no means always.. |
Hi Stephen. Nice to see you.
Probably I was something "universalist" and you are right. Simply the good IQ of the RF normals lenses was a great surprise to me.
And I transmit it with too many emphasis.
scsambrook wrote: |
Going back to the 1960s, the 50mm f2 Nikkor-H and the 50mm f2 Summicron-R both represented significant overall improvements on their respective RF predecessors - although the Nikon RF range was by then history and the Leicaflex was so hard to focus you often couldn't get a sharp picture for love or money! Still, it makes some sort of point, even if not overwhelmingly |
In the case of the Nikon I give my right hand to you, I don't know almost nothing about Nikon.
In the Leica M, I think that the summicron R not beat to the M 7 elements version (perhaps the king of the 50 mm lenses of all the times, I guess), both in 1963/4 when the R version was born to the market. In the summilux 1,4/50 the R version had the formula that the M version had before (1966).
scsambrook wrote: |
And nearer to the present time, Leica put what was essentially the optical package of the final 90mm Elmarit-R into a rangefinder mounting . . . or so Erwin Puts would have us believe. |
Well, the thema perhaps was the normal lenses, but if you (as Leica M user) did use the Summilux 75 lens, tell me if there is anything near the IQ of that lens in the portrait M/R lenses. Not for me. It's simply magic. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Today I bought a Flektogon 35mm lens , so set is complete I bought a Werra body to cannibalize lens mount to make adapter to NEX. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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