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nixland
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 Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:34 pm Post subject: Two Planar 85 MMJ with different coating |
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nixland wrote:
First of all, I want to revise the info about my lens on "Zeiss lens photo" thread that mine is MMJ not AE because I check again the f16 aperture number and it's in green color which should be MM version. (CMIIMW)
I bought a new one because my current lens has oil in the rear side of the front optic. Though so far it doesn't affect the images, I want the cleaner one. I also feel that my lens color is a bit colder.
The new one I bought is older (74xxxxx) than the one I had (77xxxxx).
What made me surprised was they have different coating color, both front & rear coating.
The 74: front coating = goldie, rear coating = purple
The 77: front coating = purple, rear coating = no color
Did Zeiss enhance the coating on the later serial number or the seller of one of this lens messed up the lens body?
Left: 74, Right: 77
Switched position ... Left: 77, Right: 74
Left: 74, Right: 77
74 version
77 version
74 version
77 version
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Carl Zeiss Jena: Biotar 58/2 1Q, DDR Pancolar 80/1.8 MC, Biotar 75/1.5, Biotar 10cm/2, DDR Sonnar 135/3.5 MC
Carl Zeiss C/Y: Planar 50/1.4 T*, Planar 85/1.4 T*, Planar 100/2 T*, Sonnar 135/2.8 T*
Leica: Summicron-R 35/2 v1, Summicron-R 50/2, Summilux-R 80/1.4, Summicron-R 90/2
Pentax: A 50/1.2
Minolta: Rokkor MC 58/1.2, Rokkor MC 85/1.7, Rokkor MC 100/2, MD 200/2.8
Olympus: Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2, Zuiko 50/1.2, Zuiko MC Auto-T 85/2, Zuiko Auto-T 100/2
Nikon: Nikkor 28/2.8 Ais, Nikkor 85/1.8, Nikkor 105/1.8, 300/2.8 ED (Ais)
Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
Sony: 135/2.8 STF
Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
Meyer-Optic: Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5
Samyang: 8/3.5 FE, 14/2.8, 85/1.4, 85/1.4 UMC
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Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 10cm/2 || Carl Zeiss ZE Distagon 28/2 || Minolta Rokkor MD 35/1.8 || Rokkor-X MC 85/1.7 || Rokkor MD 85/1.7 || Olympus Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2 || Olympus 100/2 || Nikon Nikkor 35/1.4 || Canon: FD 55/1.2 || Vivitar 90/2.5 Series 1 VMC || Tamron: 90/2.5 SP
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killwilly
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:32 am Post subject: |
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killwilly wrote:
Sorry, can't answer your query regarding the lens coatings. However, on my monitor the 74 has richer colouring and is marginally sharper.
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Orio
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:49 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I remember this question being asked to a Zeiss technician (but I don't remember where I read it)
and the answer was that the colour of the coating depends on which metal is on the outer layer,
but that the effort of Zeiss since the time of the Contarex is to keep all different lenses of a same
camera set consistent in colouring, and that this is done with continuous experimentation to obtain
the best combination of metals in the coatings for each different element
(remember that in a Zeiss lenses all glass elements are multicoated on both sides).
I also have different colours in my Contax lenses coatings, but I never detected any colour inconsistencies
in the photos. I may test them for colour consistency, but I am too lazy  and also I think that
there's no much point in doing this type of tests when there is no visible problem in the lenses.
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Orio
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
| killwilly wrote: |
| Sorry, can't answer your query regarding the lens coatings. However, on my monitor the 74 has richer colouring and is marginally sharper. |
The colours look identical to me, and I wonder how can you detect differences in sharpness in such small resizes.
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killwilly
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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killwilly wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
| killwilly wrote: |
| Sorry, can't answer your query regarding the lens coatings. However, on my monitor the 74 has richer colouring and is marginally sharper. |
The colours look identical to me, and I wonder how can you detect differences in sharpness in such small resizes. |
The blue just right of centre on 74 does look darker on my computer and the foliage in the foreground looks sharper too. Maybe an optical illusion, my eyes are not what they used to be.
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nixland
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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nixland wrote:
@killwilly & Orio: thanks for the comments.
Sorry I forget to post the sharpness test 
Here they are:
Using tripod, live-view (mirror lock up), 10 seconds timer.
Top: 74, bottom: 77
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Carl Zeiss Jena: Biotar 58/2 1Q, DDR Pancolar 80/1.8 MC, Biotar 75/1.5, Biotar 10cm/2, DDR Sonnar 135/3.5 MC
Carl Zeiss C/Y: Planar 50/1.4 T*, Planar 85/1.4 T*, Planar 100/2 T*, Sonnar 135/2.8 T*
Leica: Summicron-R 35/2 v1, Summicron-R 50/2, Summilux-R 80/1.4, Summicron-R 90/2
Pentax: A 50/1.2
Minolta: Rokkor MC 58/1.2, Rokkor MC 85/1.7, Rokkor MC 100/2, MD 200/2.8
Olympus: Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2, Zuiko 50/1.2, Zuiko MC Auto-T 85/2, Zuiko Auto-T 100/2
Nikon: Nikkor 28/2.8 Ais, Nikkor 85/1.8, Nikkor 105/1.8, 300/2.8 ED (Ais)
Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
Sony: 135/2.8 STF
Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
Meyer-Optic: Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5
Samyang: 8/3.5 FE, 14/2.8, 85/1.4, 85/1.4 UMC
FOR SALE
Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 10cm/2 || Carl Zeiss ZE Distagon 28/2 || Minolta Rokkor MD 35/1.8 || Rokkor-X MC 85/1.7 || Rokkor MD 85/1.7 || Olympus Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2 || Olympus 100/2 || Nikon Nikkor 35/1.4 || Canon: FD 55/1.2 || Vivitar 90/2.5 Series 1 VMC || Tamron: 90/2.5 SP
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nixland
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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nixland wrote:
The 74 version looks a bit more saturated
Top: 74, Bottom: 77
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Carl Zeiss Jena: Biotar 58/2 1Q, DDR Pancolar 80/1.8 MC, Biotar 75/1.5, Biotar 10cm/2, DDR Sonnar 135/3.5 MC
Carl Zeiss C/Y: Planar 50/1.4 T*, Planar 85/1.4 T*, Planar 100/2 T*, Sonnar 135/2.8 T*
Leica: Summicron-R 35/2 v1, Summicron-R 50/2, Summilux-R 80/1.4, Summicron-R 90/2
Pentax: A 50/1.2
Minolta: Rokkor MC 58/1.2, Rokkor MC 85/1.7, Rokkor MC 100/2, MD 200/2.8
Olympus: Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2, Zuiko 50/1.2, Zuiko MC Auto-T 85/2, Zuiko Auto-T 100/2
Nikon: Nikkor 28/2.8 Ais, Nikkor 85/1.8, Nikkor 105/1.8, 300/2.8 ED (Ais)
Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
Sony: 135/2.8 STF
Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
Meyer-Optic: Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5
Samyang: 8/3.5 FE, 14/2.8, 85/1.4, 85/1.4 UMC
FOR SALE
Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 10cm/2 || Carl Zeiss ZE Distagon 28/2 || Minolta Rokkor MD 35/1.8 || Rokkor-X MC 85/1.7 || Rokkor MD 85/1.7 || Olympus Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2 || Olympus 100/2 || Nikon Nikkor 35/1.4 || Canon: FD 55/1.2 || Vivitar 90/2.5 Series 1 VMC || Tamron: 90/2.5 SP
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nixland
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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nixland wrote:
Another sharpness test, both at wide open, using live-view and tripod
Top: 74, Bottom: 77
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Carl Zeiss Jena: Biotar 58/2 1Q, DDR Pancolar 80/1.8 MC, Biotar 75/1.5, Biotar 10cm/2, DDR Sonnar 135/3.5 MC
Carl Zeiss C/Y: Planar 50/1.4 T*, Planar 85/1.4 T*, Planar 100/2 T*, Sonnar 135/2.8 T*
Leica: Summicron-R 35/2 v1, Summicron-R 50/2, Summilux-R 80/1.4, Summicron-R 90/2
Pentax: A 50/1.2
Minolta: Rokkor MC 58/1.2, Rokkor MC 85/1.7, Rokkor MC 100/2, MD 200/2.8
Olympus: Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2, Zuiko 50/1.2, Zuiko MC Auto-T 85/2, Zuiko Auto-T 100/2
Nikon: Nikkor 28/2.8 Ais, Nikkor 85/1.8, Nikkor 105/1.8, 300/2.8 ED (Ais)
Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
Sony: 135/2.8 STF
Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
Meyer-Optic: Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5
Samyang: 8/3.5 FE, 14/2.8, 85/1.4, 85/1.4 UMC
FOR SALE
Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 10cm/2 || Carl Zeiss ZE Distagon 28/2 || Minolta Rokkor MD 35/1.8 || Rokkor-X MC 85/1.7 || Rokkor MD 85/1.7 || Olympus Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2 || Olympus 100/2 || Nikon Nikkor 35/1.4 || Canon: FD 55/1.2 || Vivitar 90/2.5 Series 1 VMC || Tamron: 90/2.5 SP
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Orio
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Did you take many photo for each sample, or just one?
I think the two lenses are identical and the tiny differences, if any, are caused by variations of
focusing or of natural lighting.
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nixland
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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nixland wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
Did you take many photo for each sample, or just one?
I think the two lenses are identical and the tiny differences, if any, are caused by variations of
focusing or of natural lighting. |
Just couple of shots. You right. I have to do some more shots
I will do a more controlled shots using flash for consistent lighting and a more flat textured surface. It will be final shots to decide which one to sell
By the way, below is the reason why I bought another Planar. The lens was in dry box for about 3 weeks and when I picked it up it had oil on the rear part of the front optic.
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Carl Zeiss Jena: Biotar 58/2 1Q, DDR Pancolar 80/1.8 MC, Biotar 75/1.5, Biotar 10cm/2, DDR Sonnar 135/3.5 MC
Carl Zeiss C/Y: Planar 50/1.4 T*, Planar 85/1.4 T*, Planar 100/2 T*, Sonnar 135/2.8 T*
Leica: Summicron-R 35/2 v1, Summicron-R 50/2, Summilux-R 80/1.4, Summicron-R 90/2
Pentax: A 50/1.2
Minolta: Rokkor MC 58/1.2, Rokkor MC 85/1.7, Rokkor MC 100/2, MD 200/2.8
Olympus: Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2, Zuiko 50/1.2, Zuiko MC Auto-T 85/2, Zuiko Auto-T 100/2
Nikon: Nikkor 28/2.8 Ais, Nikkor 85/1.8, Nikkor 105/1.8, 300/2.8 ED (Ais)
Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
Sony: 135/2.8 STF
Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
Meyer-Optic: Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5
Samyang: 8/3.5 FE, 14/2.8, 85/1.4, 85/1.4 UMC
FOR SALE
Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 10cm/2 || Carl Zeiss ZE Distagon 28/2 || Minolta Rokkor MD 35/1.8 || Rokkor-X MC 85/1.7 || Rokkor MD 85/1.7 || Olympus Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2 || Olympus 100/2 || Nikon Nikkor 35/1.4 || Canon: FD 55/1.2 || Vivitar 90/2.5 Series 1 VMC || Tamron: 90/2.5 SP
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