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 Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:47 am Post subject: Mir 1 and Mir1b |
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Hi
I recently picked up an old Zenit SLR with a Mir 1B on the front.
I also have the Mir 1 1958 Brussels version.
The 1B is a much more modern lens with a different manufacturing logo on it compared to the big solid older Mir 1.
I've had a quick search but can't find any info on the difference and wondered if anyone could enlighten me.
Thanks.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:09 am Post subject: |
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WolverineX wrote:
http://cameras.alfredklomp.com/mir1/
same russian lenses were manufactured in many different factories and each factory had it's own logo
mir-1 is m39 mount lens
mir-1b is m42 mount lens
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:46 am Post subject: |
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Alternate Internet ID wrote:
Thanks.
The Brussels version is M42 says Mir 1 and looks just like the one in your link but the 1B looks like this...
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:52 am Post subject: |
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WolverineX wrote:
maybe it's later version
the one i have is mir-1Ш and looks different that this one
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:59 am Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
There isn't a logo visible on that pic. Can you send another one of the logo? Or you can identify it yourself here:
http://cameras.alfredklomp.com/logos/
My 1B is N87xxx with the Vologda logo, so it's 5 years older. The basic preset design looks the same but the grips are very different.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Alternate Internet ID wrote:
According to the link it's Vologda... you can just about make it out on the lens cap.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
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| According to the link it's Vologda... you can just about make it out on the lens cap. |
Ah yes, but that's the cap! The cap with mine has the LZOS logo. 
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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Alternate Internet ID wrote:
Luckily it matches the logo on the lens itself!
Just got to decide which one to keep now.
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kansalliskala wrote:
| WolverineX wrote: |
| maybe it's later version |
like this
http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/mir_1v_lens.htm
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ChromaticAberration wrote:
I too bought a Mir a couple of weeks ago but it is the "original" Mir-1 which has I have learned is the only one you can compare to the Flektogon, quality wise. The other variations 1B, 1V, whatever, are supposedly inferior, dunno if by optical formula differences (I doubt it).
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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semso wrote:
| WolverineX wrote: |
mir-1 is m39 mount lens
mir-1b is m42 mount lens |
Well, I have mir-1 in m42 mount silver
N7000524
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kansalliskala wrote:
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| I too bought a Mir a couple of weeks ago but it is the "original" Mir-1 which has I have learned is the only one you can compare to the Flektogon, quality wise. The other variations 1B, 1V, whatever, are supposedly inferior, dunno if by optical formula differences (I doubt it). |
I think the problem is the general soviet quality control issue from the 70's 80's not the formula. So you can get a brilliant lens or not ..
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I am still yet to test it which I intend to do this weekend but one thing I don't like, at 70cm the minimum focusing distance is huge considering it's a sub 50mm lens. Not very fond of that since I enjoy preserving minimum close focusing capabilities other wise it is just too limited for the subjects I usually pick.
Well for what it cost me I can always get my investment back anyway.
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estudleon wrote:
I know users (only three) who look for j-9 or Mir-1 or 1.B, but only made in 1971. They told me that because of the good control of that year. I don't know.
Anybody knows ?
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
2 russian links on the Mir-1 and its different versions :
http://www.photohistory.ru/1207248187959276.html
http://www.zenitcamera.com/archive/lenses/mir-1.html
I don't know wether it will work. Here are the google translations :
http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.photohistory.ru%2F1207248187959276.html
http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zenitcamera.com%2Farchive%2Flenses%2Fmir-1.html
I have a Мир-1В, made in 1985, same as this one : http://forum.mflenses.com/fs-mir-1b-37mm-f-2-8-m42-mount-t27867,highlight,%2Bmir+%2B1b+%2B37mm.html
B is for Vologda as mentionned before.
Vologda Optical and Mechanical Plant, Vologda.
Its plastic crystal box and its caps have the letter "B" with a beam passing through it, stylized bow and arrow.
Originally the company was referred to as the Vologda Instrument-Making Plant "Ray" (a division of VOMZ).
The emblem was used until the late 1980s.
It was then replaced.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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Kram wrote:
I'm getting ready to buy a Mir-1B N85032414 next week. I don't see a logo on the lens. Anyone know it's year/pedigree?
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
1985, Mark. Like mine.
The two first numbers give the production year.
It surely has been produced in Vologda. The logo should be an arrow through a bow. It's on the cap or under the plastic crystal box's bottom.
and... it is on the front ring !!!
I can see it on your picture between the serial number and the name. I thought it was a "+". In fact it's an arrow on a bow. 
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ChromaticAberration wrote:
Yep definitely on the front ring, a bit small but it's there.
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Kram wrote:
Oliver, CA, thanks! Great to know. I'll post some pix as soon as I get a chance to.
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Alternate Internet ID wrote:
I always thought a Mir 1 was a Mir 1 was a Mir1.
Wasn't aware there were so many versions.
All we need now are some comparisons between them!
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kansalliskala wrote:
And just remember that they don't neccessarily work on FF cameras.
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Olivier wrote:
Yes. Be careful with the back of the lens with 5D and 5D². Mirror hits...
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