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Big Dawg wrote:
I have a Vivitar Series 1 85mm f/1.4 lens (Samyang). It is very sharp and has great Bokeh as well as very good color to me. I would like to know if a Zeiss 85mm f/1.8 Pancolar or a 85mm f/2.8 Biometar would give an improvement for portraits. The Viv is sometimes too sharp. Pancolars are way expensive but the Biometars can be bought for a reasonable amount.
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I think no. Pancolar 80 is a top lens , I don't think so really need a top lens for good portraits.
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/german/zeiss/pancolar_001/czj_pancolar_80mm_f1_8/
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/top_lenses/portrait/?
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woodrim wrote:
Keep what you have, Dawg, it's a good lens and you can always blur it a tad. I think you need a motorcycle instead.
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BRunner wrote:
As you are probably not interrested in sharper lens than your Vivitar, I don't suggest any of them. BTW. Both lenses are actually 80mm.
Pancolar will be probably comparable wide open and sharper stopped down.
Biometar is softer at f2.8 than Pancolar, but improves significantly already @f4.
Elmarit 2.8/90 or Sonnar 2.8/85 are even sharper than Tamron 90mm macros wide open.
Summicron 2/90 is @f2 only marginally softer than Vivitar @f1.4 but stopped down to f4-f5.6 improves to level of Elmarit.
According tests, Planar 1.4/85 is comparable wide open and sharper stopped down.
Elmarit, Summicron, Sonnar and Planar will be improvement in terms of color rendering, but all lenses are comparable sharp to Vivitar or even better at same aperture.
If you want lens with more unique character, I'd suggest Helios-40 1.5/85 or as cheaper alternative Jupiter-9 2/85. Or you can experiment with some fast projection lenses, they are cheap and sometimes with unique glow. But you can use them only at full aperture.
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OM wrote:
I would agree with the suggestion to try a Jupiter 9 - a great portrait lens at a keen price.
It's a little soft wide open and sharpens up well from F4 so gives you some scope to experiment.
I liked it so much I bought two...!
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Olivier wrote:
Maybe the Biometar could bring you the softness you want for some portraits.
My Volna-3 (a Biometar clone) gives me that with beautiful colours and bokeh.
Is the Jupiter-9 another Biometar clone ?
But I noticed that the Samyang gives me very good results when I apply color filters and play on contrast and light.
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estudleon wrote:
There are some lenses very good to portraits.
Elmarit R and M 2,8/90
Summilux M 1,4/75
And my prefer, the cheap J-9.
I see thru he like I see thru my eyes.
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BRunner
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BRunner wrote:
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Maybe the Biometar could bring you the softness you want for some portraits.
My Volna-3 (a Biometar clone) gives me that with beautiful colours and bokeh.
Is the Jupiter-9 another Biometar clone ? |
I was talking about silver M42 version of Biometar, P-Six version can be softer.
Jupiter-9 is clone of pre-war CZJ Sonnar 2/85.
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Big Dawg
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Big Dawg wrote:
| BRunner wrote: |
| Olivier wrote: |
Maybe the Biometar could bring you the softness you want for some portraits.
My Volna-3 (a Biometar clone) gives me that with beautiful colours and bokeh.
Is the Jupiter-9 another Biometar clone ? |
I was talking about silver M42 version of Biometar, P-Six version can be softer.
Jupiter-9 is clone of pre-war CZJ Sonnar 2/85. |
I am looking at the P6 Biometar. I do like my 50's and 55's for portraits with my K7. But almost all of them are too sharp for some types of portraits. Actually I've had some success with my 18-55 Kit lens but the longer focal length of an 80 (yes 80 not 85) Biometar if soft enough would work better most times.
Thanks to all for your advice.
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Dawg: If you want to try a Volna, I have one needing some cleaning of fungus beginnings that you can have cheap.
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Bargain soft portrait setup: a sharp lens in the 50-100mm range, mounting a +1 dioptre close-up adapter or an old Kodak Portra adapter.
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| Keep what you have, Dawg, it's a good lens...I think you need a motorcycle instead. |
Agreed...when the weather's nice,nothing like an early morning ride to start the day...or an evening ride with the sun going down...or a Sunday afternoon putt...and the photographic opportunities if your packing a camera or three....It would be hard for me to walk away from an old desired passion.
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Big Dawg
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| Dawg: If you want to try a Volna, I have one needing some cleaning of fungus beginnings that you can have cheap. |
I'm still undecided Woodrim. But I will keep that offer in mind. PM me the price plus shipping and I'll give it serious thought.
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Big Dawg
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| Keep what you have, Dawg, it's a good lens...I think you need a motorcycle instead. |
Agreed...when the weather's nice,nothing like an early morning ride to start the day...or an evening ride with the sun going down...or a Sunday afternoon putt...and the photographic opportunities if your packing a camera or three....It would be hard for me to walk away from an old desired passion. |
More delayed than put off for now.
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Is that a distinction without a difference?
It's often been said among the Nikon crowd that their 43-86mm zoom (which was universally regarded as pathetic -- at least the early iterations of it) made a wonderful portrait lens on the long end.
I know you shoot Pentax, but I'm just sayin' -- find yourself a crappy zoom that has 80mm or so in its focal range, and that may be all you need. Plus you likely won't have to pay much for it at all.
BTW, I ran into this same situation shooting some portraits of my parents with a Rolleiflex 2.8D. The lens was so sharp that they were somewhat put off by the sharpness. Counting every wrinkle and all.
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I've done some preliminary test to my portrait lenses but mostly just for bokeh, sharpness & CA, and I still find time and model to do a portrait photo test and color test.
For the fourth row, I am still waiting for the Pancolar 80/1.8 from eBay.
I need your advice about what other test should I do and how should I do it, so the result that I will share and post in the forum will be very usefull and won't waste server space for too much photo files  ).
The first 3 are currently my favorit lenses
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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nixland wrote:
Sorry my mistake .. it should be Biometar 80/2.8 ... not 85/2.8 ..
I'll edit the text later.
Below is some test scenes that I've done.
By the way, I don't intend to collect all these lenses. Sooner or later I will find my favorite lenses and sell the others
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Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
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Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
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The Vivitar Series 1 90mm f/2.5 ALWAYS gets left out. And for the record, its actual focal length is 87mm.
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nixland wrote:
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| The Vivitar Series 1 90mm f/2.5 ALWAYS gets left out. And for the record, its actual focal length is 87mm. |
Thanks for the input. I'll try my best to get that lens. Wish me luck.
By the way I just tested Takumar 85/1.8, Rokkor MC 85/1.7 and Nikkor-K (pre Ai) 85/1.8. So far they all has the same rendering. Rokkor has slightly smoother bokeh.
I'll post the result as soon as I get the Pancolar.
How about the Volna?
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Olympus: Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2, Zuiko 50/1.2, Zuiko MC Auto-T 85/2, Zuiko Auto-T 100/2
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Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
Sony: 135/2.8 STF
Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
Meyer-Optic: Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5
Samyang: 8/3.5 FE, 14/2.8, 85/1.4, 85/1.4 UMC
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Big Dawg wrote:
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Is that a distinction without a difference?
It's often been said among the Nikon crowd that their 43-86mm zoom (which was universally regarded as pathetic -- at least the early iterations of it) made a wonderful portrait lens on the long end.
I know you shoot Pentax, but I'm just sayin' -- find yourself a crappy zoom that has 80mm or so in its focal range, and that may be all you need. Plus you likely won't have to pay much for it at all.
BTW, I ran into this same situation shooting some portraits of my parents with a Rolleiflex 2.8D. The lens was so sharp that they were somewhat put off by the sharpness. Counting every wrinkle and all. |
Thanks Michael. That is what I'm running into right now. My wife children and relatives are all at that "I don't want my wrinkles to show" age and do not like the sharp photos of them I'm shooting. I have several Vivitar lenses that I've tried and like some of the results. I've also been looking at Pentax soft focus 85mm lenses but the cost there is waaay too high for me at the moment and the reviews are not that glowing.
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LucisPictor wrote:
@nixland: That is an impressive collection of portrait teles that you have there! Wow!
@Big Dawg: Keep the Viv and try to find a J9. That lens is reasonably priced and has a very unique character. Use a long hood and it improves considerably!!
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have you try the vaseline trick
http://georgiamariex.wordpress.com/2010/12/05/soft-focus/
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@nixland: That is an impressive collection of portrait teles that you have there! Wow!
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.. I have an insane obsession since I was bitten by manual lens, drived by my extreme curiousity, that is to try and explore all famous portrait lens as many as possible. Not to collect them but to explore their character and keep 4-5 lens which character I like the most and let go the other
But I am still not be able to arrange a session for portrait shot yet. I had plan to shot only a scene where I could do test for portrait (skin tones), sharpness, CA, bokeh, etc. at the same time, so I dont have to change lens too often. One lens, one scene, one shot.
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Leica: Summicron-R 35/2 v1, Summicron-R 50/2, Summilux-R 80/1.4, Summicron-R 90/2
Pentax: A 50/1.2
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Olympus: Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2, Zuiko 50/1.2, Zuiko MC Auto-T 85/2, Zuiko Auto-T 100/2
Nikon: Nikkor 28/2.8 Ais, Nikkor 85/1.8, Nikkor 105/1.8, 300/2.8 ED (Ais)
Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
Sony: 135/2.8 STF
Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
Meyer-Optic: Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5
Samyang: 8/3.5 FE, 14/2.8, 85/1.4, 85/1.4 UMC
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Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 10cm/2 || Carl Zeiss ZE Distagon 28/2 || Minolta Rokkor MD 35/1.8 || Rokkor-X MC 85/1.7 || Rokkor MD 85/1.7 || Olympus Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2 || Olympus 100/2 || Nikon Nikkor 35/1.4 || Canon: FD 55/1.2 || Vivitar 90/2.5 Series 1 VMC || Tamron: 90/2.5 SP
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Big Dawg wrote:
| nixland wrote: |
| woodrim wrote: |
| The Vivitar Series 1 90mm f/2.5 ALWAYS gets left out. And for the record, its actual focal length is 87mm. |
Thanks for the input. I'll try my best to get that lens. Wish me luck.
By the way I just tested Takumar 85/1.8, Rokkor MC 85/1.7 and Nikkor-K (pre Ai) 85/1.8. So far they all has the same rendering. Rokkor has slightly smoother bokeh.
I'll post the result as soon as I get the Pancolar.
How about the Volna? |
All of those in your test are pretty much the same. Much the same results with my 50mm lenses. At full open the background is totally gone or almost so. I would like one that gives some softness of the subject but more background detail. A more blended look. I'm also thinking of maybe a 50mm f/4 lens such as the Flektagon 50 f/4 or a Tessar 50-55 f/4 or so. I expect a Pentacon 50 some day soon and maybe I will like it better.
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@nixland: That is an impressive collection of portrait teles that you have there! Wow!
@Big Dawg: Keep the Viv and try to find a J9. That lens is reasonably priced and has a very unique character. Use a long hood and it improves considerably!! |
If I get the Volna from Woodrim I may not need to go further. If not then I will look into the J9.
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