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Meyer Orestegor / Pentacon 200mm or Jupiter 21A 200mm???
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:51 pm    Post subject: Meyer Orestegor / Pentacon 200mm or Jupiter 21A 200mm??? Reply with quote

I am undecided with these lenses.

What Do I Buy?


Thankssss


PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know the Orestor "personally", but I had the Pentacon 4/200 and the Jupiter-21M 4/200 and I liked the Jupiter much more!
It's a fantastic lens but huge and heavy.


PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LucisPictor wrote:
I don't know the Orestor "personally", but I had the Pentacon 4/200 and the Jupiter-21M 4/200 and I liked the Jupiter much more!
It's a fantastic lens but huge and heavy.


Thanks for your answer!


PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me the Jupiter is better but definitely heavy, Pentacon is still a pretty good lens and very handy to use but if I might make another suggestion try the Telear 3.5/200 if you can it would be my favourite to use Very Happy


PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the Pentacon Preset. Great lens.

Also the Auto Chinon 3.5/200 which is cheaper and lighter. Very different to the Pentacon.


PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Meyer Orestegor is my fav. - do not know the others


PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My order in optical quality:

#1 Jupiter 21
#2 meyer
#3 Pentacon

Practical usage, built-quality

#1 Meyer
#2 Pentacon
#3 Jupiter


Jupiter is heavy, bulky "tank" style

Pentacon often come with aperture problem.

Meyer is a wonderful light weight lens with good IQ.


PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poolhall wrote:
... try the Telear 3.5/200 if you can it would be my favourite to use Very Happy


Oh yes! That's a very good tip! Great lens!


PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meyer Orestegor 4/200...

15 blade aperture...


PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm ... both ! The meyer Orestegor is not so heavy , but less "contrasty" and less saturated than the J-21 which easily equals the smc-Takumar 4/200 . I have the more recent versions , Pentacon 4/200 and 4/200MC auto , which is not so far from the j-21, but different global rendition.
I like also my Mitake "Eyemik" (really good!) , Vivitar (Komine) , Panagor 3,5/200, Chinon 3,3/200, Asahi super-Takumar 4/200 (not smc) ; the other 200mm in my lens gear are Makinon 3,3 , Revuenon 3,3, Tamron , Alpex, Admiral (Mitake), Optomax 4,5/200 preset, Minolta Rokkor 4,5/200
I have also the strange Telemar-22 5,6/200 (NOT the Telear!) - uncommon and very good ...
I have often my telemegor 5,5/180mm in my bag , due to its weight and dimensions ...
I can say there there is no "dog" in this gear , the third party lenses are never bad , but never stellar performers ...
Smile


PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty close match. Buy the one you can get cheaper. Orestegor 15 blades cool, but Pentacon MC better glass for sunny conditions. Atilla, can't agree on built-quality. I would put Jupiter on first place, but sadly impossible to repair Wink.


PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently picked up a Super Takumar 200mm F4, descibed as having fungus. Cost about $30. Easy to open up and clean inside. No fungus, just fly speck or similar?
Very impressed by quality of this lens.
bb2


PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For portraits definately Orestegor 4/200.
Landscape and other purposes Jupiter 21M (sharp and contrasty)

My 2 cents Wink


PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helios wrote:
Hmmm ... both ! The meyer Orestegor is not so heavy , but less "contrasty" and less saturated than the J-21 which easily equals the smc-Takumar 4/200 . I have the more recent versions , Pentacon 4/200 and 4/200MC auto , which is not so far from the j-21, but different global rendition.
I like also my Mitake "Eyemik" (really good!) , Vivitar (Komine) , Panagor 3,5/200, Chinon 3,3/200, Asahi super-Takumar 4/200 (not smc) ; the other 200mm in my lens gear are Makinon 3,3 , Revuenon 3,3, Tamron , Alpex, Admiral (Mitake), Optomax 4,5/200 preset, Minolta Rokkor 4,5/200
I have also the strange Telemar-22 5,6/200 (NOT the Telear!) - uncommon and very good ...
I have often my telemegor 5,5/180mm in my bag , due to its weight and dimensions ...
I can say there there is no "dog" in this gear , the third party lenses are never bad , but never stellar performers ...
Smile


Hi Helios.

I often hear (read, best said) that the 3,3/200 not as good as the 3,5 ones. Is right?

Your telemar seems to be similar to the takumar 5,6/200, isn't it?

Thanks in advance.

Regards. Rino.


PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Rino ! The 3 lenses "3,3/200 mm " are not very good at full aperture . They reach some contrast at f/5,6 - 8 , not before . I suspect these 3 lenses are from the same maker ... Production from Mitake Optical (Eyemik), Komine , Panagor are far better!
Physically , the Telemar-22 is far from the tele-takumar 5,6/200 . I didn't find any lenses which ressembles . I have the last "modern" black version , Tair-11a Style . Very scarce.


PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very clear.

Thanks Helios very much.

Rino.


PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Telemar-22A : (picture token with Mc-Variozenitar 2,8/25-45)



PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice lens.

I haven't seen any till now.

Thanks for sharing this particular lens.

Rino.


PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Telemar-22 : here 1 picture on negative film (konica vx200)




PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

estudleon wrote:
Nice lens.

I haven't seen any till now.

Thanks for sharing this particular lens.

Rino.


Me too Shocked I thought I saw almost all Russian lenses, thank you!!


PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Telemar-22 "Alu" M39 version is quite common , but the last "A" in black are reputedly very scarce... I didn't take any "digital" pic with it , only film. Giving similar results than the telemegor 5,5/180 , I prefer use this (the Meyer) due to its tiny size and weight.
Telemar-22 is a good performer, but not stellar ....


PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I see it not seems stellar.

But, if you let me say, I would try this lens with a Fuji or Kodak slide film.

Regards, Rino.


PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to make some tests with Dslr ... I'm sure this lens is at the level of Meyer Orestegor / Pentacon 4/200 , not under ...

Here a pic with Mitake / Eyemik 3,5/200 on dslr :





PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jupiter 4/200mm most of them wide-open. Click on them for 1600px.
Horizontal selection. 5DmkII resized jpegs out of the camera.










PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jupiter 4/200mm most of them wide-open. Model Jupiter-21M. Vertical selection. 5DmkII resized jpegs out of the camera.
For me one of the best 200mm if you don't require circular aperture.