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UKRoy
Joined: 15 Sep 2011 Posts: 3 Location: Southern England
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:00 am Post subject: Biotar 58 F2 mount identification required |
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UKRoy wrote:
I have been given a Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 5.8 cm 1:2 lens, serial number 2660105 - mount thread is approx. 40mm external diameter. I'd like to be able to use it on my D700 and require some information about possible adapters, never having used anything more exotic than AI converted Nikkors in the past.
Having inserted pix they don't appear....
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:31 am Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
This one probably has a Praktiflex mount (i.e. 40mm). I'm not sure if Praktiflex adapters exist. I'm sure more knowledgeable people will chime in... _________________ Peter - Moderator
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:02 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
It will not work even if you make a DIY adapter , film register difference is huge. Lens will be provide sharp pictures within one meter distance only. Nikon is worst paltform to try other lenses than Nikon, due it have longest film register distance .
I suggest to sell this lens and buy another one to play from following lenses.
Any medium format SLR lens like Kiev, Pentacon Six, Mamiya etc
Nikon lenses
Nothing other will works with a simple adapter. _________________ -------------------------------
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Sell it, it will be worth quite a lot to the right person as these old chrome Zeiss lenses are very sought after by some.
Use the profit to buy a Nikkor or two. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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UKRoy
Joined: 15 Sep 2011 Posts: 3 Location: Southern England
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:48 am Post subject: Thanks! |
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UKRoy wrote:
To everyone who has replied. I'd come to the conclusion (from this site as well as others) that this was in the Exacta mount. Anyway it's obvious that the register is too short to successfully mount on a DSLR.
After a bit of preliminary cleaning the lens is actually in quite good condition, despite arriving with gunk on the externals and no evidence or recent lens caps.
It may just sit for while, shining, on one of my camera archaeology shelves. If I thought I could get a decent price without resorting to the appalling environment of fleabay I might indeed sell it.
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exaklaus
Joined: 11 Aug 2009 Posts: 1633 Location: Niederrhein, Germany
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:52 am Post subject: |
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exaklaus wrote:
That is for Praktiflex, has nothing to do with Exakta. Rare lens.
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xjjohnno
Joined: 07 Apr 2009 Posts: 1270 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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xjjohnno wrote:
Praktiflex register is 45.8mmm so not too far off Nikon register, while not having infinity focus I'd see that as reasonably useable for portraits and plant pics if you could actually find an adapter. A very usable lens on my Pentax with a shorter register distance. |
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UKRoy
Joined: 15 Sep 2011 Posts: 3 Location: Southern England
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:10 pm Post subject: Which mount is it (again)? |
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UKRoy wrote:
From the pix and the outer thread diameter (about 40mm) it's for Praktiflex, not Exacta - is this conclusive?
Roy
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
Klaus confirmed that this morning. Exakta cameras have a bayonet mount. Praktiflex cameras have 40mm screw. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
There was an early Exakta screw mount, for the VP Exaktas, which were medium format by our standards - 4x6.5 cm on 127 film.
The lens mount thread was apparently almost 40mm, 39.5 or 39.8mm but with a fine thread, .5 or .75mm
The Night Exakta had a screw mount also, of larger diameter, but I can't find the specification.
All of these were 1930's models. I don't think the VP Exaktas were made after WWII.
The 35mm Exaktas only had bayonet mounts, with the exception apparently of some retrofit kits for M42. Exakta lens mounts (on the camera) are very easy to replace. There ARE some Varex-type Exaktas with M42 !
Now, this lens certainly wasn't made for those medium format models. 5.8cm would be a wide angle lens for these, and there certainly wasn't a wide angle Biotar, much less an f/2 wide angle. The only 40mm screw mount (40x1) for a 35mm SLR camera is certainly just the Praktiflex. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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exaklaus
Joined: 11 Aug 2009 Posts: 1633 Location: Niederrhein, Germany
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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exaklaus wrote:
luisalegria wrote: |
There was an early Exakta screw mount, for the VP Exaktas, which were medium format by our standards - 4x6.5 cm on 127 film.
The lens mount thread was apparently almost 40mm, 39.5 or 39.8mm but with a fine thread, .5 or .75mm
The Night Exakta had a screw mount also, of larger diameter, but I can't find the specification.
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The very early Exakta VP had a different pitch (a finer one) than all other following VP Exaktas. Night Exaktas had, of course, the same thread as the regular 1:2,8 or 1:3,5 Exakta as it would have been to cruel not to allow them to use all other VP lenses from wide-angle to tele and of course the extension tubes.
Klaus
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Mos6502
Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Posts: 960 Location: Austin
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Mos6502 wrote:
Buy a Praktiflex. It is one of the most important camera designs in history - fun to work with too!
On the chance you do take this advice, the "Praktiflex FX" though very common is M42. |
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Tervueren
Joined: 18 May 2011 Posts: 1177 Location: West Sussex, United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:09 am Post subject: |
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Tervueren wrote:
You could try heating up a 39-42mm adapter thread and see if you can fit it over your mount, when it cools it should shrink tight enough to use, may have to ream it out a bit. |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
For Nikon DSLRs, you're better off sticking with Nikon AI lenses. Most other lenses will require an adapter with corrective glass which pretty much always softens images. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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Gurdie
Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 997 Location: Finland
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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Gurdie wrote:
martinsmith99 wrote: |
For Nikon DSLRs, you're better off sticking with Nikon AI lenses. Most other lenses will require an adapter with corrective glass which pretty much always softens images. |
Don´t forget third-party Nikon-mount lenses (Tamrons, Kirons, Tokinas et al.) and T-mount lenses. You only need a suitable adapter.
Off course there is the Carl Zeiss ZF lenses. And Leica R-mount lenses can be adapted without a glass adapter.
There´s also Russian made lenses for Nikon F-mount, and also Russian interchangeable A-mount lenses that you can use without a glass adapter.
Also some DDR made Pentacon and Meyer lenses can be adapted that way.
So there´s many possibilities to experiment with. Happy hunting! _________________ Markku
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